A team from the Porsche Supercup, a supporting series during the upcoming Grand Prix of Bahrain this weekend has cancelled its participation in the race, outing its doubts about the safety at the middle-east country.
Because legend means "A traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated."JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Wow!manchild wrote:He is not F1 legend, he is a contemporary mid-filed driver with shameful and corrupt past, beaten by his current teammate 2 seasons in a row.
Im no Fan of Schumacher, but how does he not qualify as a legend?
Giblet wrote:Because legend means "A traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated."JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Wow!manchild wrote:He is not F1 legend, he is a contemporary mid-filed driver with shameful and corrupt past, beaten by his current teammate 2 seasons in a row.
Im no Fan of Schumacher, but how does he not qualify as a legend?
His TC was legendary
+1WhiteBlue wrote:I can't believe it but Hill just changed his view again. This is the second U-turn in three weeks. The man is spineless as a ventriloquist puppet.
This whole episode leaves a very bad taste in the mouth. Not only Bernie but the head of the FiA, McLaren, parts of the press and some ex WDCs are in the al Khalifas pockets. Disgusting!!
Only the very biggest of [insert gentle plural pejorative here] would look at a dynamic, if not flat-out revolutionary, situation and maintain a singular state of mind one way or the other. This is exponentially more true of commentary that does not originate from the source. Even a basic, kindergarten-level study of history shows that world events are not always as they appear.WhiteBlue wrote:I can't believe it but Hill just changed his view again. This is the second U-turn in three weeks. The man is spineless as a ventriloquist puppet.
This whole episode leaves a very bad taste in the mouth. Not only Bernie but the head of the FiA, McLaren, parts of the press and some ex WDCs are in the al Khalifas pockets. Disgusting!!
Seeing as you have your avatar as Ayrton Senna...Senna might still be alive if Schumacher wasn't driving an illegal car that Senna couldn't get away from.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Wow!manchild wrote:He is not F1 legend, he is a contemporary mid-filed driver with shameful and corrupt past, beaten by his current teammate 2 seasons in a row.
Im no Fan of Schumacher, but how does he not qualify as a legend?
And if my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather.SeijaKessen wrote:[...] Senna might still be alive if Schumacher wasn't driving an illegal car that Senna couldn't get away from. [...]
I personally do think Senna might've lived to see another day had benetton/flavio/schumacher not cheated. We can never know for sure, but when you look at flavio's 'other' exploits, it doesn't seem all that far fetched, not to mention the smoke and the fire about the subject.bhallg2k wrote:And if my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather.SeijaKessen wrote:[...] Senna might still be alive if Schumacher wasn't driving an illegal car that Senna couldn't get away from. [...]
Absurd. Patently absurd.
Whiteblue... do you know Jesse Owens?WhiteBlue wrote:I'm not surprised that I have once again to disagree here. The politicising did not start with the race contract some years ago. That was entirely separate at the time from the political situation in Bahrain.bhallg2k wrote:Sure, you can. Honoring a pre-existing contract is perhaps the least political option of all. Otherwise, not going is just as much of a political statement as going. It's a classic Catch-22...You can't say that you are not mixing politics and sport when you are coming down on one side."
But last year they had a bloody beat down of political demonstrations by Saudi tanks which was in effect a pro monarchy coup by a foreign military power. The political movement for democracy and civil rights that was attacked by the coup is ongoing. But now the monarchy claims that F1 is visiting a nation which is unified once again. It is a blatantly obvious political propaganda lie. F1 is being used for a political demonstration exactly like the podium ceremony in Turkey 2006 or the Berlin Olympic Games 1936.
If F1 would refuse to go it would be true to it's own statutes because that would deny the Bahrain royals turning the race into a propaganda affair. It is not true that cancelling the race would be a demonstration siding with the civil rights activists. The activists have not turned the race into a political show. That was the doing of the crown prince by dubbing it "uniF1cation". I believe that one has to be careful when one deals with propaganda issues. I believe the truth is clear when you just go back one year and analyse the history of the conflict in comparison with other propaganda events.
The similarity with Berlin 1936 becomes obvious when you compare Joseph Goebbel's slogan "The Olympic Games as a National task". Nothing could be more misappropriate. The games were supposed to be a huge international competition but Goebbels who was the chief organizer on the German side wanted to make them a demonstration of Arian and German superiority. Even the excessive use of police/military power is similar to the Bahrain events. In 1936 the SA and the SD had already evacuated all Sinti and Roma from the wider Berlin area and concentrated them in the Marzahn Ghetto. The concentration camp Sachsenhausen for Jews had already been erected and could have been visited by the visiting olympic athletes and their press. The freedom of press and speech had already been severely restricted.
The 1936 Olympic Games were a mistake. They should have never been awarded and should have been cancelled when the racial and religious discriminations in Germany were revealed. In 2006 The FiA did the right thing and punished the Turks for turning a podium ceremony into a political demonstration . This week they are making the same mistake as the free world in 1936. I fear it is because J.Todt is indebted to the crown prince for his role in the presidential elections. This is a very bad reason for making such a decision. A decision should be made with awareness of the history and in accordance with the statutes.
See If the Olympics were not held in Germany at that time peoples views especially the views of some Germans would not have been affected for the better. So sometimes good can come out of a bad situation.In 1936, Owens arrived in Berlin to compete for the United States in the Summer Olympics. Adolf Hitler was using the games to show the world a resurgent Nazi Germany. He and other government officials had high hopes that German athletes would dominate the games with victories (the German athletes achieved a "top of the table" medal haul). Meanwhile, Nazi propaganda promoted concepts of "Aryan racial superiority" and depicted ethnic Africans as inferior.
Owens surprised many by winning four gold medals: On August 3, 1936 he won the 100m sprint, defeating Ralph Metcalfe; on August 4, the long jump (later crediting friendly and helpful advice from Luz Long, the German competitor he ultimately defeated); on August 5, the 200m sprint; and, after he was added to the 4 x 100 m relay team, he won his fourth on August 9 (a performance not equaled until Carl Lewis won gold medals in the same events at the 1984 Summer Olympics).
Just before the competitions, Owens was visited in the Olympic village by Adi Dassler, the founder of the Adidas athletic shoe company. He persuaded Owens to use Adidas shoes, the first sponsorship for a male African-American athlete.
The long-jump victory is documented, along with many other 1936 events, in the 1938 film Olympia by Leni Riefenstahl.
On the first day, Hitler shook hands only with the German victors and then left the stadium. Olympic committee officials insisted Hitler greet every medalist or none at all. Hitler opted for the latter and skipped all further medal presentations.
On reports that Hitler had deliberately avoided acknowledging his victories, and had refused to shake his hand, Owens said at the time:"Hitler had a certain time to come to the stadium and a certain time to leave". "It happened he had to leave before the victory ceremony after the 100 meters. But before he left I was on my way to a broadcast and passed near his box. He waved at me and I waved back. I think it was 'bad taste' to criticize the man of the hour in another country".
You're watching the race though right?WhiteBlue wrote:I can't believe it but Hill just changed his view again. This is the second U-turn in three weeks. The man is spineless as a ventriloquist puppet.
This whole episode leaves a very bad taste in the mouth. Not only Bernie but the head of the FiA, McLaren, parts of the press and some ex WDCs are in the al Khalifas pockets. Disgusting!!
What has watching the race to do with it? There is no difference I can make to the reality by watching the race or not. F1 could have made a difference by blowing Al-Khalifa's propaganda away.n smikle wrote:You're watching the race though right?WhiteBlue wrote:I can't believe it but Hill just changed his view again. This is the second U-turn in three weeks. The man is spineless as a ventriloquist puppet.
This whole episode leaves a very bad taste in the mouth. Not only Bernie but the head of the FiA, McLaren, parts of the press and some ex WDCs are in the al Khalifas pockets. Disgusting!!
I bet all 32 of ya are gonna watch in full support...
WhiteBlue wrote:What has watching the race to do with it? There is no difference I can make to the reality by watching the race or not. F1 could have made a difference by blowing Al-Khalifa's propaganda away.n smikle wrote:You're watching the race though right?WhiteBlue wrote:I can't believe it but Hill just changed his view again. This is the second U-turn in three weeks. The man is spineless as a ventriloquist puppet.
This whole episode leaves a very bad taste in the mouth. Not only Bernie but the head of the FiA, McLaren, parts of the press and some ex WDCs are in the al Khalifas pockets. Disgusting!!
I bet all 32 of ya are gonna watch in full support...
I have a deal with Sky to pay €10/race and it is paid in advance whether the race runs or not. So Bernie and the teams will get paid by me anyway. I do not get any adverts so I don't make a difference that way either.
