Mercedes AMG F1 W03

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hardingfv32 wrote:Isn't brake balance the only mechanical adjustment left for the driver to do while on track.

Brian
no way ! he change brake balance!! MSC do also in past and now.

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Anyone remember the pre-season mercury hydraulic suspension system chatter we wasted better part of 25 pages on? I was just thinking the tires in relation to their current geometrical arrangement could be physically being worked too hard by this system which could be deduced as 'too effective' perhaps which is perhaps why we are seeing such a large drop in performance after 2-3 fantastic laps (when the tires are in working heat range that is).

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hardingfv32 wrote:Isn't brake balance the only mechanical adjustment left for the driver to do while on track.

Brian
In terms of changing setup on the fly, diff too.
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Wow, excellent shot!

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Darknight wrote:During the replay if nicos qualifying lap I am pretty sure that he adjusts two things with his left hand. One is probably bias but then he moves his hand back and adjusts something else. Any clues?
during a lap he cant adjust anything only brake balance. He have a total dry setup....

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He can play with the diff as well, but thats on the wheel. The only thing you can adjust during a lap that is located down there is the brake bias. Was probably just adjusting it twice.

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That Merc looked like a re-incarnation of the RB7!

Absolutely stuck to the track literally everywhere Nico asked it to go.

Meanwhile @ Red Bull....

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guys in regards to this blown/stalled front wing they have.
Ross is saying its not worth very much time. Well we all know that's not the case, It is on there for a reason lol. But I think he is being very clever with his words.
I remember a lot of teams on team radio at Malaysia were complaining about the speed of the rear wing would come back down after coming off a long straight they were talking about the instant balance shift.
now If someone can tell me how much D/F they are removing when the DRS is activated. I would say the wing goes to 0 degree , and if that is like 100kg of down force then yes that is a huge balance shift. Especially in say monza or even china when you come off DRS and you have to enter those long high speed corners.

so this is where I see the Merc gaining the advantage, is when they stall the front wing as well, they keep a better aero balance. if you get what I mean. so if they remove D/F off both wings at the same time. I see this system as being a massive help in keeping the D/F balance better. I think that is what the system is worth, not so much time. But it gives the drivers more confidence etc/ as opposed to just better lap time, Drivability is just as important . no? .

I know its a bit of a novel what I wrote, but who agrees with me?

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i think you are right
and also stalling the front wing will also rise the car a few mm
which in turn will give extra spped down the straight, as both front and back ride height is raised
and also good stability for braking into the next corner

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From the picture above, did their DRS system really helped them in qualifying? I mean they are in the middle of speed trap!
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hardingfv32 wrote:Note the size of the axles. Seems odd with all the aero concerns in this aera.

Brian

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Coreolis Lift.

A bigger axle will produce more coreolis effect downforce. Very small detail probably with little nett downforce but the faster flowing air under the driveshaft will help with keeping the air flow to the top exit of the diffuser flowing smooth and fast.

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seinfeld wrote:guys in regards to this blown/stalled front wing they have.
Ross is saying its not worth very much time. Well we all know that's not the case, It is on there for a reason lol. But I think he is being very clever with his words.
I remember a lot of teams on team radio at Malaysia were complaining about the speed of the rear wing would come back down after coming off a long straight they were talking about the instant balance shift.
now If someone can tell me how much D/F they are removing when the DRS is activated. I would say the wing goes to 0 degree , and if that is like 100kg of down force then yes that is a huge balance shift. Especially in say monza or even china when you come off DRS and you have to enter those long high speed corners.

so this is where I see the Merc gaining the advantage, is when they stall the front wing as well, they keep a better aero balance. if you get what I mean. so if they remove D/F off both wings at the same time. I see this system as being a massive help in keeping the D/F balance better. I think that is what the system is worth, not so much time. But it gives the drivers more confidence etc/ as opposed to just better lap time, Drivability is just as important . no? .

I know its a bit of a novel what I wrote, but who agrees with me?
+1 i agree although we really dont have any clue how the system completely works, but that makes a lot o sense. Considering our topspeed in not significantly faster than others, but if you can deploy the drs button earlier tha accounts to faster acceleration, and asyou not noted iit gives more balanced to the car, drivers can confidently push more. Drivability is very important in f1.

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I've been wondering to myself how good the sealing is on the ddrs holes in the rear, and if a bit of controlled flexing in the rear wing could have them open a bit more at speed.

Now I'm wondering here as well.
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