Bahrain GP 2012 - Sakhir

[Unc1e_M0nty]

Crazy race, just crazy, I see a lot of people now consider this vettle win as things being back to normal, i just dont see it like this, Lotus were by far the quickest car today, Kimi stated 11th and was a within a whisker of the win.

Last week Mercedes were tops and many were hailing this as the dawn of a new order, if the temps are right then your in with a shot, Mecedes did last week and Lotus did it today.

I see this ebbing and flowing all season

[beelsebob]

There have been no penatties awarded to Rosberg yet though, have there?

No – the stewards report has not been published yet.

Nor should he receive a pen.

He made his one allowable move whilst ahead of the other car. To the letter of the law he cannot be penalised.

What I saw differs from what you saw – I saw him making two illegal moves crowding 2 different cars beyond the edge of the circuit, both of which happened while the attacking car had wing and wheel along side, and a significant overspeed.

[F1PuertoRico]

We got a steward in the forum!!!!

[vall]

there is also the rule that you shold leave 1 car space, no? How Rosberg did that?

[beelsebob]

there is also the rule that you shold leave 1 car space, no? How Rosberg did that?

The rule you're thinking of is when coming back across to the racing line having defended – you must leave 1 car width beside you, which rosberg did on both occasions... That said, the crowding another car of the track rules require you to leave a car's width if the other car is at all along side you too.

[Gerhard Berger]

Vettel is leading the championship but the top 7 are covered by a mere 19 points. 2010 was similar this stage, but back then we knew who the fastest car was. Now it seems to depend on the track and temperature. Impossible to really say there is clear favourite at this stage.

what is pretty certain is that Vettel is now confident with the car in qualifying and RB8 do have the race pace.

4 renault powered cars finishing in top 4. Is this a sign where renault cars having advantage on track with high tire wear? Due to fuel efficiency?

This is not certain. Things can change pretty quickly as we've already seen in the first 4 races.

[F1PuertoRico]

Ham got a nice tow behind Ros... Ham was way faster than rosberg... Ros should leave at least space . That was a big one defensive move sweeping the whole track.

[CHT]

4 renault powered cars finishing in top 4. Is this a sign where renault cars having advantage on track with high tire wear? Due to fuel efficiency?

I don't think it's about the fuel - but rather they have a drivable engine which leads to less slip on traction I think

I dont think its a coincident that both RBR and Lotus have superior race pace and not qualifying.

[fiohaa]

i will fully agree if hamilton had his front wheels somewhere alongside rosbergs sidepods, at the point where rosberg started to sweep right, but im pretty sure he didnt - as i say i'll put the images up later. unless someone beats me to it.

OK - so what happens if Alonso or Hamilton have their front wing alongside the rear wheel of Rosberg's car? Rosberg makes that move, the other driver doesn't go off track, Rosberg gets a puncture, the challenger loses his wing... whose fault is that?

well thats not what happened is it. thats another circumstance, and would depend on the speed of the car behind, relative to the car in front.

besides, thats why i said sidepods, rather than rear wheels, because if your front wheels are up to at least the sidepods, you can at least safely say 'yes, he was alongside' give or take.

i think in your scenario, its even more the fault of the offensive driver rather than the defender. that would just be a clumsy move....
the overtaking driver has to have the awareness and ability to back out of it if its looking likely that the move isnt available.

it was certainly close with hamilton, but with alonso there isnt even anything to discuss. as i say, posting images of both incidents on here at the point which rosberg started to sweep right, will resolve this. no point really discussing it further without some images to look at.

[Traction]

To me it seemed as if Rosberg moved over completely and LH actually chose to follow him even wider, putting himself on the outside. Alonso seemed to do the same thing...as if once committed they stuck with the moves...

[beelsebob]

i will fully agree if hamilton had his front wheels somewhere alongside rosbergs sidepods, at the point where rosberg started to sweep right, but im pretty sure he didnt - as i say i'll put the images up later. unless someone beats me to it.

OK - so what happens if Alonso or Hamilton have their front wing alongside the rear wheel of Rosberg's car? Rosberg makes that move, the other driver doesn't go off track, Rosberg gets a puncture, the challenger loses his wing... whose fault is that?

well thats not what happened is it. thats another circumstance, and would depend on the speed of the car behind, relative to the car in front.

besides, thats why i said sidepods, rather than rear wheels, because if your front wheels are up to at least the sidepods, you can at least safely say 'yes, he was alongside' give or take.

i think in your scenario, its even more the fault of the offensive driver rather than the defender. that would just be a clumsy move....
the overtaking driver has to have the awareness and ability to back out of it if its looking likely that the move isnt available.

it was certainly close with hamilton, but with alonso there isnt even anything to discuss. as i say, posting images of both incidents on here at the point which rosberg started to sweep right, will resolve this. no point really discussing it further without some images to look at.

So it's okay then for the defending driver to crash into the attacking driver, as long as the attacking driver is only along side rear wheels then? I guess that'll create a *whole* different form of defense in the future.

[Maelstrom]

4 renault powered cars finishing in top 4. Is this a sign where renault cars having advantage on track with high tire wear? Due to fuel efficiency?

I don't think it's about the fuel - but rather they have a drivable engine which leads to less slip on traction I think

I dont think its a coincident that both RBR and Lotus have superior race pace and not qualifying.

After this race you can hardly say the RBR doesn't have qualifying pace. They were 1-3.

[fiohaa]

What I saw differs from what you saw – I saw him making two illegal moves crowding 2 different cars beyond the edge of the circuit, both of which happened while the attacking car had wing and wheel along side, and a significant overspeed.

you are going to be changing your opinion when i post the images up. its close with ham but at no point was alonso anywhere near alongside rosberg, even if we use the term 'alongside' loosely, and define it as having your nose alongside the rear of the car infront.

pretty amazing really how people watching the same images can come up with such wildly different opinions.

[beelsebob]

What I saw differs from what you saw – I saw him making two illegal moves crowding 2 different cars beyond the edge of the circuit, both of which happened while the attacking car had wing and wheel along side, and a significant overspeed.

you are going to be changing your opinion when i post the images up. its close with ham but at no point was alonso anywhere near alongside rosberg, even if we use the term 'alongside' loosely, and define it as having your nose alongside the rear of the car infront.

pretty amazing really how people watching the same images can come up with such wildly different opinions.

Can't find a Hamilton/Rosberg one just now

[fiohaa]

so whats your opinion now after looking at that image of alonso and rosberg?

because it looks to me as if rosberg is still fully infront, when alonso decides to go off track. Alonsos car is physically fully behind rosbergs car.

sky had a really good onboard from alonso's view anyway which will clear it up even more. as i say i'll have to wait to record the highlights then i'll post up some nice high res pics here.