Ferrari F2012

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Comparison, old & new

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Interesting indents now in the gurney above the diffuser and it seems (to my old eyes anyway) that the gurney on the sides is "shallower" so perhaps they are looking for more flow there now???
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Nando wrote:
Postmoe wrote:Perhaps the new diffuser/beam wing/exhausts are giving better aero COG.
CoP you mean?
Center of PR0n?

I don't know I was refering to the aerodynamic equilibrium between axes and all the stuff, that normally has it own logics in comparison to mechanic CoG.

I fear I don't know the exact term so I put aerodynamic and CoG together in order to create an inbreded one.

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.poz wrote:Any pic of the rake of the car ?

If you look at the crucial comparison you'll see there's a massive change in rake terms. The new one has such a radical approach that it even look like it is floating.

Incredible indeed.

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Postmoe wrote:
.poz wrote:Any pic of the rake of the car ?

If you look at the crucial comparison you'll see there's a massive change in rake terms. The new one has such a radical approach that it even look like it is floating.

Incredible indeed.

What exactly does Rake mean? :?
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Did FA run with the new nose???

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Postmoe wrote:
.poz wrote:Any pic of the rake of the car ?

If you look at the crucial comparison you'll see there's a massive change in rake terms. The new one has such a radical approach that it even look like it is floating.

Incredible indeed.
You forgot the :D , didn't you?

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Teechnical wrote:What exactly does Rake mean? :?
difference in height between front and rear end of the car

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Teechnical wrote:
Postmoe wrote:
.poz wrote:Any pic of the rake of the car ?

If you look at the crucial comparison you'll see there's a massive change in rake terms. The new one has such a radical approach that it even look like it is floating.

Incredible indeed.

What exactly does Rake mean? :?
Low front ride height and high rear ride height is a lot of rake.
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Teechnical wrote:
Postmoe wrote:
.poz wrote:Any pic of the rake of the car ?

If you look at the crucial comparison you'll see there's a massive change in rake terms. The new one has such a radical approach that it even look like it is floating.

Incredible indeed.

What exactly does Rake mean? :?
It means how the car is angled from front to rear. Last year`s exhaust blown diffusor allowed to run a higher angle of the car, the rear had a higher ride height. An angled car produces more downforce, if one can manage to seal the sides of the diffusor properly.


@postmoe: In the picture you are reffering to, the car does not touch the ground. It is jacked up.

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Postmoe wrote:Center of PR0n?

I don't know I was refering to the aerodynamic equilibrium between axes and all the stuff, that normally has it own logics in comparison to mechanic CoG.

I fear I don't know the exact term so I put aerodynamic and CoG together in order to create an inbreded one.
If you talk about aero balance i think the correct term is Center of Pressure.
versus Center of Mass (or Center of Gravity) for the actual weight distribution on the car.
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ForMuLaOne wrote:
Teechnical wrote:
Postmoe wrote:

If you look at the crucial comparison you'll see there's a massive change in rake terms. The new one has such a radical approach that it even look like it is floating.

Incredible indeed.

What exactly does Rake mean? :?
It means how the car is angled from front to rear. Last year`s exhaust blown diffusor allowed to run a higher angle of the car, the rear had a higher ride height. An angled car produces more downforce, if one can manage to seal the sides of the diffusor properly.


@postmoe: In the picture you are reffering to, the car does not touch the ground. It is jacked up.
Yes, yes. That's how it works. It's completely passive, the driver is doing nothing so it's legal.

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Nando wrote:
Postmoe wrote:Center of PR0n?

I don't know I was refering to the aerodynamic equilibrium between axes and all the stuff, that normally has it own logics in comparison to mechanic CoG.

I fear I don't know the exact term so I put aerodynamic and CoG together in order to create an inbreded one.
If you talk about aero balance i think the correct term is Center of Pressure.
versus Center of Mass (or Center of Gravity) for the actual weight distribution on the car.
Yes, it has more sense since there's no gravity involved. I just forgot it was pressure, and I will forget it another time. I always forget these sort of things :lol:

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Forgive me for another newby question but you'd have to run as low rake as you possibly could to seal the diffuser?
Is that correct?
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To me it looks almost the same. Maybe the front wing is a little bit lower but with different angle /distance it's difficult to compare

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