Spanish GP 2012 - Barcelona

[myurr]

Are showers expected tomorrow at Montmelo?

Not sure about showers, but drivers in the interviews said that temp would be much cooler than today.

There's a chance of rain but should almost certainly be cooler.

[Mestrades]

Okey, let's compare the FP3 "full tank" stint of Rosberg, with the "full tank" stints of FP2 yesterday.



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It has been the best stint of the weekend. Obviously, we don't know the load of fuel

[Redragon]

So it is so clear the advantage, why they took the risk for second time?

Exactly my point – no one sane in that position would take that risk... Thus, the likelihood is that them taking that risk is not the explanation... Instead, they may genuinely have had warnings come up about the car... They may genuinely have misscalculated the amount of fuel burn... They may all kinds of other things.

What really was suspicious was how they maniouvre to give excuses at the end to the press?
One of the engeniers coming to talk to Hamilton after weight procedure.
Too secretive to be just a failure
Or it is what I felt watching it

[foxmulder_ms]

It was a weird qualifying.

Still, I think McLaren (Hamilton) was surprisingly strong. I thought Redbull were much closer to Mclaren. RB even could not shoot for the pole. I feel like they are hiding behind the excuse by saying "we saved tires", in my opinion they are just trying make the best of a bad situation. They know Mclaren is out of touch.

I was expecting Reneult in front of Alonso. Ferrari certainly improve but they are nowhere near RB or Mclaren.

Also, I want to point out tires are dangerously becoming too dominant of a factor, taking out of race excitement.

[zyphro]

Are showers expected tomorrow at Montmelo?

Not sure about showers, but drivers in the interviews said that temp would be much cooler than today.

Predictions of weather are usually wrong at the GP... apparently it'll be 21c.

[Unc1e_M0nty]

So it is so clear the advantage, why they took the risk for second time?

Exactly my point – no one sane in that position would take that risk... Thus, the likelihood is that them taking that risk is not the explanation... Instead, they may genuinely have had warnings come up about the car... They may genuinely have misscalculated the amount of fuel burn... They may all kinds of other things.

If they can prove this the stewards can let them off.

Whitmarsh is quoted as saying 1.3l would have got him back to the pits with a litre to spare, doesn't sound enough to me, where did he stop - haw far was he away from the pits.

[zyphro]

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Also, I want to point out tires are dangerously becoming too dominant of a factor, taking out of race excitement.

I thought this had become apparent to everyone already. Hmm...

[astracrazy]

If they can prove this the stewards can let them off.

Whitmarsh is quoted as saying 1.3l would have got him back to the pits with a litre to spare, doesn't sound enough to me, where did he stop - haw far was he away from the pits.

i thought it was in the last sector but i'm not sure.
1.3l would be enough though surely when coasting, running lean and drs open on straights...

[zyphro]

Okey, let's compare the FP3 "full tank" stint of Rosberg, with the "full tank" stints of FP2 yesterday.

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It has been the best stint of the weekend. Obviously, we don't know the load of fuel

And if temperatures are significantly lower tomorrow (21c) it could be quite a race.

[beelsebob]

So it is so clear the advantage, why they took the risk for second time?

Exactly my point – no one sane in that position would take that risk... Thus, the likelihood is that them taking that risk is not the explanation... Instead, they may genuinely have had warnings come up about the car... They may genuinely have misscalculated the amount of fuel burn... They may all kinds of other things.

If they can prove this the stewards can let them off.

Whitmarsh is quoted as saying 1.3l would have got him back to the pits with a litre to spare, doesn't sound enough to me, where did he stop - haw far was he away from the pits.

He stopped just before turn 9, about half way through the lap. At racing speed you need about 2 litres to complete a lap, so the question is, do these cars burn 1 third the amount at a coast... I can believe that they probably do once you've disabled a few cylinders, and run the engine leaner.

[myurr]

What really was suspicious was how they maniouvre to give excuses at the end to the press?
One of the engeniers coming to talk to Hamilton after weight procedure.
Too secretive to be just a failure
Or it is what I felt watching it

I think it's just poor management of the situation by McLaren rather than an indication of anything deliberate.

Either way the team seem determined to everything they can to undermine Hamilton's campaign. He's been in great form this year and has been screwed by the team in every single race so far. Even if he's not stripped of his pole position this is all unnecessary stress and distraction for him when he should be getting on with preparing for the race. McLaren have built a solid car, now it's time for them to really up their game and provide Lewis with an opportunity to show what he can do.

[MrBlacky]

At racing speed you need about 2 litres to complete a lap,[...]

2 liters? No way. It's likely something between 3-4 liters.

edit: Average fuel consumption: 2.271kg per lap (source: Williams)

[GrizzleBoy]

Anyone else notice that the limiter on the McLaren sounded really weird?

Like it would hit the limiter, back off a little, hit again, back off a little and keep doing it till the braking zone.

Usually it's just straight noise till the end of the straight when cars hit the limiter but it was fluxuating on both McLarens.

[Redragon]

At racing speed you need about 2 litres to complete a lap,[...]

2 liters? No way. It's likely something between 3-4 liters.

I am getting confused now, I thought your argument to believe that Mclaren didn't get the risk of running with low fuel was,
0.6 s difference means 20kilos that equals 8.8 laps more or less,
My maths says this is 2.2 liters per lap but if you say 3-4 liters, that means 20 kilos equal 4 laps more or less. So
if it is true my theory of risk comes alive.

Could someone clarify weights of fuel per lap on engine mode for qualy?

[astracrazy]

approx fuel per lap around here is 2.2kg (that just what i quickly found)