Spanish GP 2012 - Barcelona

[vall]

well, if he was short of fuel, then no matter the reason, he should get a penalty

[beelsebob]

At racing speed you need about 2 litres to complete a lap,[...]

2 liters? No way. It's likely something between 3-4 liters.

I am getting confused now, I thought your argument to believe that Mclaren didn't get the risk of running with low fuel was,
0.6 s difference means 20kilos that equals 8.8 laps more or less,
My maths says this is 2.2 liters per lap but if you say 3-4 liters, that means 20 kilos equal 4 laps more or less. So
if it is true my theory of risk comes alive.

Could someone clarify weights of fuel per lap on engine mode for qualy?

Not really – 4 laps at full pelt is *massively* more than a qualifying run. Your theory would only hold water if we were talking 0.5 to 1 lap.

[astracrazy]

At racing speed you need about 2 litres to complete a lap,[...]

2 liters? No way. It's likely something between 3-4 liters.

I am getting confused now, I thought your argument to believe that Mclaren didn't get the risk of running with low fuel was,
0.6 s difference means 20kilos that equals 8.8 laps more or less,
My maths says this is 2.2 liters per lap but if you say 3-4 liters, that means 20 kilos equal 4 laps more or less. So
if it is true my theory of risk comes alive.

Could someone clarify weights of fuel per lap on engine mode for qualy?

you've just answer your own question regarding weight/fuel there?

[vall]

ok, it' sofficial, he lost it

[Redragon]

I am getting confused now, I thought your argument to believe that Mclaren didn't get the risk of running with low fuel was,
0.6 s difference means 20kilos that equals 8.8 laps more or less,
My maths says this is 2.2 liters per lap but if you say 3-4 liters, that means 20 kilos equal 4 laps more or less. So
if it is true my theory of risk comes alive.

Could someone clarify weights of fuel per lap on engine mode for qualy?[/quote]
Not really – 4 laps at full pelt is *massively* more than a qualifying run. Your theory would only hold water if we were talking 0.5 to 1 lap.[/quote]

In any case, they run out of fuel, not enough fuel to get to the pits with enough of a liter for FIA test. so they should be penalized. If your details are certain

[Pandabeer]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99564

Back of the grid, wow..

[MrBlacky]

That's ridiculous.

[Redragon]

That's ridiculous.

Why? maybe a bit harsh but deserved

[beelsebob]

I am getting confused now, I thought your argument to believe that Mclaren didn't get the risk of running with low fuel was,

No, my argument was that no one sane would short fuel a car when they were dominating the session. Short fueling the car is a matter of putting less than half a lap at a coast too little fuel in the car. The various estimates we have put the amount they would have needed to put in above what they did, to lose pole at between 4 and 8 laps at race pace. There's a massive disparity there. Clearly they would not be anywhere close to losing pole by putting another 0.5 laps at a coast in the car.

It's all a bit academic though, Hamilton's been DQed

[MrBlacky]

That's ridiculous.

Why? maybe a bit harsh but deserved

From 1st to 24th for something that wasn't even your own fault?
He was way faster than anyone else and now he has sto start from the back because he didn't make it back into the pits, although there was enough fuel for the sample.

[astracrazy]

=D> well done mclaren. 5 weekends out of 5 you've screwed your drivers - don't be surprised if hamilton leaves them at the end of this year =D>

edit: how come a torro rosso driver didn't get dq'd in bahrain for not going to the weigh bridge as requested? i know its not the same, but its not far from the same issue

[stefan_]

A well deserved penalty. This should be an example to those who stop the car right after the race has finished too.

Stop judging with the fanboy-ism.

[GrizzleBoy]

He's starting last on the grid? Unbelievable.....absolutely unbelievable.....

The boy needs to leave McLaren.

A top team does not hire people who spend 4 seconds trying to get a rear jack under a drivers car.

A top team does not spend 4 seconds trying to remove brake tape.

A top team does not design a wheel/nut system with heat sensitive materials in an area exposed to 1000 degree brake discs and exhaust fumes.

A top team does not underfuel their drivers car in such crucial moments.


Sure maybe they can have a bad weekend, but race after race....they dont want Lewis there.

There is no way they want Lewis there.

[Redragon]

No, my argument was that no one sane would short fuel a car when they were dominating the session. Short fueling the car is a matter of putting less than half a lap at a coast too little fuel in the car. The various estimates we have put the amount they would have needed to put in above what they did, to lose pole at between 4 and 8 laps at race pace. There's a massive disparity there. Clearly they would not be anywhere close to losing pole by putting another 0.5 laps at a coast in the car.

It's all a bit academic though, Hamilton's been DQed[/quote]


After the outcome of Fia decision, the question Why they did? is even stronger because he didn't loose 5 positions as first estimate, he is on the back of the grid and that it is really harsh even if there was the possibility of a failure for which they thought to stop the car.

[Redragon]

No, my argument was that no one sane would short fuel a car when they were dominating the session. Short fueling the car is a matter of putting less than half a lap at a coast too little fuel in the car. The various estimates we have put the amount they would have needed to put in above what they did, to lose pole at between 4 and 8 laps at race pace. There's a massive disparity there. Clearly they would not be anywhere close to losing pole by putting another 0.5 laps at a coast in the car.

It's all a bit academic though, Hamilton's been DQed[/quote]


After the outcome of Fia decision, the question Why they did? is even stronger because he didn't loose 5 positions as first estimate, he is on the back of the grid and that it is really harsh even if there was the possibility of a failure for which they thought to stop the car.