Agreed. So far I can only point to Monaco as a race they couldn't have won.FrukostScones wrote:Where are the Mythbusters when you need them? Lotus is and was everywhere and under all temps fast.
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Fernando Alonso has won the German GP after leading every single lap of the race. The Spaniard start from pole, and while being under threat, he was never passed. Sebastian Vettel finished in second place while Jenson Button is third. Their result though is still under investigation, as Vettel's passing move was a little dubious.
Agreed. So far I can only point to Monaco as a race they couldn't have won.FrukostScones wrote:Where are the Mythbusters when you need them? Lotus is and was everywhere and under all temps fast.
Cheers, updated:bhallg2k wrote:Canada: Dry, sunshine, air temp 27° / track temp 39° (start), 28° / 39° (lap 35), 29° / 39° (lap 70)
Silverstone: Race: Dry, sunshine, min / max air temp 19° / 21°, min / max track temp 28° / 33°
(via Caterham F1 Team)
I would expect around the 30°C mark, so we'd be looking at 4th/5th for lotus. I'm tempted to do this for each team now and see if I can predict race results off it.SamH123 wrote:wow, great graphs thanks.
really solid correlation isn't. Air temp looks in the low 20s for the German gp, if it's sunny what track temp would that normally mean do you reckon?
Go for it bob. If you need help you'll know where to find me. This is an extremely fascinating project. Also, wasn't Monaco quite a mixed bag with changing temps from start to finish? Monaco ended cold and the track was wet, though no one was willing to pit for fear of the others not pitting. Also, would it not be better to plot how far off the pace they are at each temperature? ie at Bahrain, with x degrees of track temp they were y% off the pace?beelsebob wrote:I would expect around the 30°C mark, so we'd be looking at 4th/5th for lotus. I'm tempted to do this for each team now and see if I can predict race results off it.SamH123 wrote:wow, great graphs thanks.
really solid correlation isn't. Air temp looks in the low 20s for the German gp, if it's sunny what track temp would that normally mean do you reckon?
Not really, there are significant outliers if you just graph by date (e.g. Bahrain and Silverstone). The corelation is much stronger with track temperature.bhallg2k wrote:Devil's advocate: Is it not also possible that Lotus is simply getting better and better as the season wears on, and that their apparent success with high track temps is merely coincidental to the fact that it's summer?
I like the idea here. But, I think it's helpful to remember that correlation doesn't always equal causation.
i have always thought the the team who is currently call Lotus is one of the most innovative in F1.bhallg2k wrote:Devil's advocate: Is it not also possible that Lotus is simply getting better and better as the season wears on, and that their apparent success with high track temps is merely coincidental to the fact that it's summer?
I like the idea here. But, I think it's helpful to remember that correlation doesn't always equal causation.
As Ray said, you'd probably have to compare track temperature to the E20's pace relative to a benchmark. Finishing position is affected by all sorts of variables.beelsebob wrote:Not really, there are significant outliers if you just graph by date (e.g. Bahrain and Silverstone). The corelation is much stronger with track temperature.bhallg2k wrote:Devil's advocate: Is it not also possible that Lotus is simply getting better and better as the season wears on, and that their apparent success with high track temps is merely coincidental to the fact that it's summer?
I like the idea here. But, I think it's helpful to remember that correlation doesn't always equal causation.
I don't think there's another option for DRS on this track?raymondu999 wrote: In other news, Derek Warwick will steward the race steward
I agree, interesting topic though.raymondu999 wrote:
Perhaps this deserves its own thread though
Nice!!! Good luck.Kiril Varbanov wrote:I don't think there's another option for DRS on this track?raymondu999 wrote: In other news, Derek Warwick will steward the race steward
FIA confirmed DW as steward.
I'm eagerly awaiting the new updates from Mclaren, because I aim to explain them on the national TV - I'm second time guest commentator, along with local rally star.
* Thanks to all for the kind words last time.