Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[Huntresa]

The body work around the exhaust is different, the preceeding bump is gone

Its still there

[ReLax]

Okay guys, any new updates on the W03? Or are there only some suspicious new internal "Updates" which are bringing better "tyre management" ?

[Joie de vivre]

Okay guys, any new updates on the W03? Or are there only some suspicious new internal "Updates" which are bringing better "tyre management" ?

they haven't been updating exterior for a quite time ... only downgrading I heard they'll run with no FW on next race =D>

[elf341]

Yes, Monkey seat has gone again...

[elf341]

Anybody know what this contraption is?

[Morteza]

Yes, Monkey seat has gone again...

I believe both cars had it on them.

[Ferraripilot]

Looks like the repositioned the barge boards to be outboard of the turning vane which were previously positioned more outboard of the apex of the sidepods. This new positioning shows they are trying to further condition the flow from the turning vanes under the nose and around the side pods.

[elf341]

I believe both cars had it on them.

Was that in FP2? I only watched FP1, and I haven't been able to find a pic from FP1 with it on, they both have it off.

[Morteza]

I believe both cars had it on them.

Was that in FP2? I only watched FP1, and I haven't been able to find a pic from FP1 with it on, they both have it off.

I missed FP1 as a matter of fact. So yes, the cars had monkey seat in FP2.

[Artur Craft]

Okay guys, any new updates on the W03? Or are there only some suspicious new internal "Updates" which are bringing better "tyre management" ?

they haven't been updating exterior for a quite time ... only downgrading I heard they'll run with no FW on next race =D>

Seems the fw cascade is gone for good and the main flap is quite flat also. I think Wesley123 might be right, W03 must lack rear df and the additional df they were running on the fws were useless. They have a very good speed trap this weekend, so at least they assume their lack of df and goes completely for straightline advantadge

Regulations this year reward having more rear downforce. This year's front wings have too much downforce believe it or not, they are actually unbalancing he car. Mecedez could afford to lose downforce on the front to gain better air conditioning for the middle and rear of the car.

Actually, this have been the case since the regulations change in 2009 and that's why Newey said that high noses are the only way after that.

Current diffusers are too small, cars remain with a big ride height(since 1994 with introduction of wooden plank) and rw lost 25% of it's span, although teams use bigger chord to compensate for it.

The front wing is way too big and is allowed to be ran quite low nowadays, and that gives more front df than ever in F1.

Cars from 80s and mid 90s had more balance towards the rear as they had the usual 1 meter rear wingspan, ran lower/closer to the ground and had bigger diffuser. Their fws had the usual 1,4m of span and were pretty poor developed back then, and that's why almost all teams used low noses to add more downforce to the front.

With the current regulation, is all about throwing all the design to the rear and that includes designing a fw which better routes airflow to the rest of the car.

[yener]

Putting the front or rear wing lower doesnt give more downforce. Placing them higher does.

I think AMG is not spending to much time on the body aerodynamics because the real issues are inside the bodywork.

Also i do not believe they haven't have any upgrades, they are just not viewable from the outside.

[Owen.C93]

Putting the front or rear wing lower doesnt give more downforce. Placing them higher does.

Put the front wing low enough and it starts getting ground effect. Lowering front wings definitely gives more DF.

[wunderkind]

As Brawn has said, the Mercedes-AMG guys are taking a step back in the development race and trying to understanding how to best utilise the tyres. There is no point putting all their resources into developing aero parts when they don't know how to get the most out of the tyres.

I don't know, but the two teams that seems to be utilising the Pirelli tyres the best at the moment, the Sauber and the Willliams, have had a history of producing understeering cars......................Just saying.

[Joie de vivre]

and even those 2 teams understand the tyres ... were are they? definitely not on the top. they are focusing to much on the tyres. anyway, another wasted season

[Pierce89]

As Brawn has said, the Mercedes-AMG guys are taking a step back in the development race and trying to understanding how to best utilise the tyres. There is no point putting all their resources into developing aero parts when they don't know how to get the most out of the tyres.

I don't know, but the two teams that seems to be utilising the Pirelli tyres the best at the moment, the Sauber and the Willliams, have had a history of producing understeering cars......................Just saying.

So how do the aerodynamicists help with understanding the tires? Brawn is being disingenuous if he says they've totally halted aero development.