2012 German GP - Hockenheim

[clipsy1H]

if MSC change tyres before last lap he could be on pole or first line. i do not expect anything tomorrow on dry race probably Mercedes (MSC) will be at the end of the race on P6-9 and Nico (8-12) On high fuel (stint 1) they are so slow and lose to much places.... but at the end Schumacher have very good pace. Maybe something happen in atmosphere and we have a wet race (normal rain just for inter)

[Pedal to the Metal]

I reckon if Lewis manage to do some overtakes,then he can get a shot at the win,besides,them can start on the harder tyre

[Teechnical]

I personally think people are counting out Vettel. He's second, I think if Alonso doesn't get a good enough start, it'll be a tight battle at the front, the pace of both cars is similar.

[beelsebob]

I personally think people are counting out Vettel. He's second, I think if Alonso doesn't get a good enough start, it'll be a tight battle at the front, the pace of both cars is similar.

I think people are counting him out because they didn't look special in practice, and because they didn't appear to have any more when it came to qualifying – only barely scraping into the top 17 in the dry.

[RB7ate9]

Webber will be the longshot, naturally. From a "home grand prix" perspective, I would rather have Msc take this one, as it would also mean another winning driver and Msc ON THE TOP STEP! But, Merc haven't shown much exciting pace in the dry.

Otherwise, I would rather have Vettel take it over Alonso. Anything to try and keep the WDC title close-in.

[Bomber_Pilot]

I personally think people are counting out Vettel. He's second, I think if Alonso doesn't get a good enough start, it'll be a tight battle at the front, the pace of both cars is similar.

I think people are counting him out because they didn't look special in practice, and because they didn't appear to have any more when it came to qualifying – only barely scraping into the top 17 in the dry.

I agree with beelsebob on this one. Both bulls had to use softs in Q1 to make sure they got into Q2. If its dry, my money is on Alonso, Hamilton or Kimi - unless it will be too cold for Lotus to get the tires working.

[Hail22]

Temperature is predicted to be 22°Max 13°Min


Going for a revised top 5:

1. Alonso
2. Raikkonen
3. Schumacher
4. Hamilton
5. Button

[SpliT]

Trouble for Red Bull:

[myurr]

I reckon if Lewis manage to do some overtakes,then he can get a shot at the win,besides,them can start on the harder tyre

I think the last couple have races have shown that the counter strategy doesn't really work. You user the hard tyre whilst stuck behind other drivers on the softs, whilst on a green track that tends to destroy either compound, and with high fuel that is going to take life out of the tyres. Then at the end of the race you are stuck on a slower tyre over the stint, leading to you losing places even if you did manage to gain track position - something that isn't guaranteed.

My own view is that he should start on the option and then be among the first to dive in for the primes. This will either force those in front to react, allowing you to dictate strategy and number of pitstops to them, or give you the advantage of being on fresher tyres for a while, hopefully gaining track position. As long as you then pit again as soon as your tyres start to fade you should keep that track position once all the pit stops have worked their way out. It'll then come down to whether you need to stop again because your tyres won't make it to the end, or if the others will have enough in their tyres to catch and pass. If you know you can't get to the end on those tyres then you can at least make a final pit stop at the most opportune time in order to give you enough time to catch and try to pass the leaders, when the roles will be reversed and you will have the tyre advantage.

The McLarens seemed to spend more time on high fuel than the majority of other teams in P3, so hopefully they have a good setup and enough data to come up with a good strategy. Hamilton, at least, looked very quick in the dry in qualifying, even if Button was his usual couple of tenths behind. I really do hope that McLaren are clever enough to tell their two drivers that it's not worth fighting it out between themselves on track if one is holding the other up. Better to release whichever driver is the faster so that they can both go for their most optimal result, particularly if they're planning differing strategies, rather than them both losing time and tyre life trying to scrap it out. I fear that their efforts to appear fair will lead to them ultimately harming both driver's chances.

[myurr]

Trouble for Red Bull:

If that is upheld then that will be a disqualification from qualifying, so they'll start from the back of the grid if the stewards let them.

Chance are, however, that they'll be let off and asked to change it for the next race.

[Hail22]

Trouble for Red Bull:

If that is upheld then that will be a disqualification from qualifying, so they'll start from the back of the grid if the stewards let them.

Chance are, however, that they'll be let off and asked to change it for the next race.

This should be referred to the WMSC immediately and result in a DSQ.

[myurr]

So what exactly are Red Bull being accused of here? Is the suggestion that the engine was able to produce more torque than it did implying that they were running some kind of traction control or is it just a mapping that Red Bull would have created to make the car easier to drive in those wet conditions that has ended up being a technical breach of the rules even if in the great scheme of things it's not that serious?

Edit: Or is the section about aerodynamic effects hinting that Red Bull were effectively trying to boost their off throttle blowing by allowing the driver to open the throttle a bit to get the exhausts blowing, but the engine map was failing to translate this input into an increase in torque delivered by the engine hence allowing the exhaust to be blown when the driver didn't want to accelerate (in simple terms).

[andartop]

This should be referred to the WMSC immediately and result in a DSQ.

Not going to happen.

My palantir predicts a slap on the wrist and an overload of Christian Horner Red Bull Shiiit(R) excuses.

Let's wait and see.

[FlYiNgIcEmAn]

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Red Bull under investigation by the FIA for what is basically illegal off throttle blowing of the diffousor.

[Hail22]

This should be referred to the WMSC immediately and result in a DSQ.

Not going to happen.

My palantir predicts a slap on the wrist and an overload of Christian Horner Red Bull Shiiit(R) excuses.

Let's wait and see.

You do know when Ferrari, Mercedes and Mclaren see this they will kick up a stink...unlike Monaco (Allowing Webber to keep his victory to save face to the fans and Webber) This will kick up the biggest stink since the Spygate scandal between Mclaren/Ferrari.