2012 Italian Grand Prix - Monza

[beelsebob]

Lets just all agree to disagree.

Bob isn't going to move from his position and we all know sure as hell Jean Todt won't even budge.

So this debate/discussion serves no ultimate purpose. There is no right/wrong answer

A good plan, as I said earlier, I was mostly playing devils advocate here.

I do believe Vettel's move was too much, and with an ideal rule book should be punished... But I don't believe he actually broke any rule.

[myurr]

Of interest though is why the stewards didn't investigate Alonso pushing Di Resta off the track in the same place on the first lap, or Di Resta pushing Senna completely off the track a few laps later, to the extent that he had to take to the escape road.

[GrizzleBoy]

Funny thing is that during the start, Alonso gave Paul Di Resta a little nudge into the dirt in the very same place.

Edit: Beat me to it :p

[Gerhard Berger]

Correct, but we're talking about roughly 1 foot difference, and as far as I can see in the rules, no breach of the rules at all still.

1 foot is enough of a difference to either leave space for a car, or force the other car on to the grass/gravel.

Onto the grass/gravel is not the same thing as off the track. Off the track requires all four wheels off.

The breach of rule is that Alonso was alongside and Vettel forced him off the track.

There was at all times room for alonso to be "on the track", so no, he didn't.

All four wheels did go off. At that speed and with the corner angle, even getting 2 wheels on the grass can force a driver further into the the gravel.

[Mr. K]

IWhy Don't Red Bull take Mercedes as a Motorist..?

They wanted to in the past but McLaren blocked that move. Maybe they will reconsider when their current contract with Renault runs out.

[beelsebob]

1 foot is enough of a difference to either leave space for a car, or force the other car on to the grass/gravel.

Onto the grass/gravel is not the same thing as off the track. Off the track requires all four wheels off.

The breach of rule is that Alonso was alongside and Vettel forced him off the track.

There was at all times room for alonso to be "on the track", so no, he didn't.

All four wheels did go off. At that speed and with the corner angle, even getting 2 wheels on the grass can force a driver further into the the gravel.

They did all go off the track, but they didn't have to. In fact, at the point when all 4 went off track there was enough room for all 4 to be on track.

[rssh]

Its a dissappointment day for a RB fan but another mechanical retirement is just too much .

About the Alonso Vettel incident I think it was fine but Vettel might have though that after the poor traction from the 2nd corner Alonso was anyway going to overtake him even if he slips through the inside also the Closing speed relative of Alonso might have been 30kmph relatively . Vettel might havn't seen it but this is racing and at this competitive level he should have known

Even after the drive through penalty he blasted past Mark Webber who is definately not a yielding Massa type of guy . I am gutted because even with the penalty he could have finished 6 or 5th (may be could have got kimi at the later stage of race.)

Anyway why didn't the stewarts investigate Alonso vs DiResta in the 1st lap when he run him out inspite of FI's rear wing being next to FA ?

[stefan_]

Great drive from Perez, a well deserved 2nd place for him and Sauber. McLaren are looking good, they sure have had the best car in the last 2 races - I am very curious to see how they go in the ones to come. Would have been an easy 1-2 if Button's car didin't broke. Good stuff from Massa too, that radio message with the tires was kinda funny

The drive-thru was a joke and I felt a bitter taste because Alonso started moaning right away, but in the same time I feel a sick pleasure watching Vettel fail and Horner bashing his head in the pit wall. Feel sorry for Mark though.

Raikkonen is very-very consistent, Lotus have to make their mind fast with that device because their driver has a good shot at the title. Would be a massive bomb if Kimi takes the championship in the same year of his return to F1.

People talk about closing cockpits, rollbars and crazy stuff like that, but JEV was close of being flipped over by a kerb...

P.S.: I was right about Massa gaining at least 1 position at the start.

[Steven]

So, the standings after the Italian GP:

[myurr]

Also remember all those times the Hamilton haters have said that he could back out of a move if the other starts a squeeze, even when that other driver was subsequently punished or blamed for doing wrong? Alonso had the option to back out of it once he could see that Vettel was following the racing line out to the edge of the track.

[kakogohrena]

Race: :: Pit :: Max speeds :: Best lap :: Lap Chart :: History graph

[aero expert 807]

Does anyonehave a video so I can see the incident myself?

[SeijaKessen]

Of interest though is why the stewards didn't investigate Alonso pushing Di Resta off the track in the same place on the first lap, or Di Resta pushing Senna completely off the track a few laps later, to the extent that he had to take to the escape road.

Because the stewards have no consistency like usual.

Di Resta should have been hit with a drive thru IMO.

[SeijaKessen]

IWhy Don't Red Bull take Mercedes as a Motorist..?

They wanted to in the past but McLaren blocked that move. Maybe they will reconsider when their current contract with Renault runs out.

Renault, Williams, and Caterham all finished without incident.

I think there is something going on with the Red Bull design that is causing this.

Red Bull's contract with Renault also runs through the 2016 season.

[NathanOlder]

Did anyone notice Button going green through sector 1 while Vergne's car was parked on the grass?

He was a good half second faster than the other front runners on that lap in the first sector. Yet there was no mention of a penalty. which I was suprised with as only yesterday Aaro Vainio was handed out a 20 second penalty for an exact same thing (ignoring yellow flags)

There was a good 30+ minutes before Jensons car stopped so its not like the stewards didnt need to hand out a penalty as after he did it he went on to Pass Massa and pull away.

Im a Mclaren Fan so I was happy for him to not be penalised at the time, Im just annoyed at the Inconsistency of the Stewards!!!