2012 Korean GP - Yeong-Am

[beelsebob]

He has no say, they can turn his engine down, Kers off, all sorts, he's out of the WDC, he should defer to Vettel if the team asks.

They can't change the engine map from the pits surely? even kers they cannot do im sure? unless im wrong but i thought that was illegal?

When Ferrari wanted Massa to move over for Alonso, did they not turn down his engine, and then told Alonso to turn his engine up? I thought that's what they did during Germany 2010?

No, they instructed Massa to adjust the engine settings.

[mzivtins]

When Ferrari wanted Massa to move over for Alonso, did they not turn down his engine, and then told Alonso to turn his engine up? I thought that's what they did during Germany 2010?

No thats illegal, teams cannot change the params of the car from the pits. Although what would have happened is merely just rob smedley on the radio saying, Felipe baby, go for fuel mix XX, Felipe does it from the car, and the jobs done

It really is a shame that the teams cannot make those changes though, in WRC they have co-drivers so why not?

I divulge anyway, slightly off topic now haha

[Cylinder]

Then I stand corrected. Either way, Webber doesnt have much say in the matter, he has signed a contract with the team as an employee, he would imagine if he wishes to stay employed, he may have to do as his employer tells him.

[mzivtins]

It's a tough call... but i would love him to say "eh red bull.... you gonna sack me for winning a race?"

I'm so naughty, i want something to happen so bad! love a bit of drama haha

[Guisson]

YEONGNAM STYLE ...By Webber
Great Pole ! Super Lap !
I don't expect him to let sebastian easily pass tomorrow if Seb wants a 3rd consecutive Win he has to battle for It !

Race Predictions:

1-WEB
2-HAM
3-ALO

[godlameroso]

I predict that Webber won´t have a good start so Vettel will lead after the 1st corner.

Why are we discussing this much about team orders? I think at Monza this year Massa let Alonso pass.

I will have no problem with it when Webber wins the race and Vettel be 2nd. But let´s see.

It behoves Webber to get a good start, Alonso is starting directly behind Vettel, a bad Webber start could allow Both RB drivers to get mugged at the first turn.

The ddrs is also not as useful in the race so we might have an actual race on our hands tomorrow

[Chuckjr]

I don't think Ham has good enough long race pace to take p1 or 2 this race. My guess is Alonso will be the pressure point on Red Bull this race. Alonso is very patient, so I think the turn 1 pinch point will be between Lewis and Vet. It will be an amazing first corner with marks notoriously bad starts contributing to the mayhem. Maybe Lewis and Vet will take each other out...neither of those guys give much on track and both are desperate for points. It will be an amazing t1 and race. I most hope everybody gets through clean and then they can battle it out on track mono e mono.

[Vanja #66]

Okay now i think we exaggerate a little bit

I think we should wait until tomorrow´s race. I will definitely a very interesting race! =D>

Not a single thing is exaggerated... Just like Vettel had a problem in Sao Paulo last year (for Mark to get his first vicotry), Mark will have some problem this time. Either he'll have a problem (made up by team or made by team), or he'll "try to cover Hamilton, but Vettel will just be gone"...

[godlameroso]

I don't think Ham has good enough long race pace to take p1 or 2 this race. My guess is Alonso will be the pressure point on Red Bull this race. Alonso is very patient, so I think the turn 1 pinch point will be between Lewis and Vet. It will be an amazing first corner with marks notoriously bad starts contributing to the mayhem. Maybe Lewis and Vet will take each other out...neither of those guys give much on track and both are desperate for points. It will be an amazing t1 and race. I most hope everybody gets through clean and then they can battle it out on track mono e mono.

There are no monkeys in F1, not driving anyway

[Forza]

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[WhiteBlue]

That was a nice and tidy lap by Mark! Mind you he had free air which Vettel did not have. Well done by him and his engineers.

[raymondu999]

Doing my long-run calculations (from Friday data) I personally have Alonso as the quickest. Do note that given setup changes overnight, track evolution, the pecking order can change, rendering this data... Rubbish, really.

My reckoning (in pure pace terms, if everyone had clean air) is Alonso is quickest, with Button and Massa roughly equal, 3 tenths off him. Hamilton did no long runs so I have no data on him. Di Resta is interestingly very quick to my reckoning, about 5-6 tenths off Alonso, before we get to Raikkonen/Vettel at +0.7. Grosjean/Hulkenberg is further off at +0.8s - and Webber is at 1s off.

I don't think the Red Bulls have this one in the bag by a long shot.

(Note that I take no responsibility for money lost on bets bought on this data. However 20% of all winnings must be deposited to me )

[Forza]

Your calculations are similar to those made by James Beck. He developed IntelligentF1 data simulation model and its usually pretty accurate.

Will see how accurate it will be this time

Korean Grand Prix: Friday Practice Analysis

And so to Korea. It may be close between Alonso and Vettel in the championship, and the Red Bulls may have locked out the front row, but the Friday practice suggests that in race trim it is the Ferrari that is the fastest car. I’ve seen some reports which suggest that Jenson Button did the fastest race stint in FP2. I don’t agree – I have the red cars all the way. Which bodes well for an entertaining race.

As usual, although I have struggled to get this done on some recent race weekends, I’ve fitted the long run data using the intelligentF1 model to get out the underlying pace of each car as shown in Friday practice. This has usually been a very good indicator of the Sunday performance, although not always! For those who are used to reading the charts, I’ve put the laps (missing out slow laps) on the chart below. The steeper the upward gradient, the faster the car. And the red lines (Ferrari) are at the top.



It’s worth noting that there is no useful data for Hamilton, the Saubers, Maldonado the Marussias, the HRTs and Kovalainen. The rest of them stack up like this:
Alonso +0.0s
Button/Massa +0.3s
Di Resta +0.5s
Vettel/Raikkonen +0.7s
Grosjean/Hulkenburg +0.8s
Webber +1.0s
Senna +1.1s
Rosberg +1.5s
Ricciardo +1.6s
Schumacher +1.8s
Vergne +2.2s
Petrov +2.4s

So it looks good for Ferrari and (to some extent) McLaren, and it does seem that the Red Bulls are unlikely to run away with it. In fact, I don’t think that they are favourites unless they are holding something in hand. The pace of the Lotus and Force India cars are good – Di Resta will be very disappointed at being only 14th on the grid as points beckon again. Once again the Mercedes seem to be quite disappointing on Friday – they tend to do a little better in the races, but their tyre wear was poor in comparison with the others. I guess they’ll still be in the battle for the minor points places.

The tyre wear is light here – the stints are clearly increasing in pace unless you are Petrov or driving a Mercedes – and it is rarely as clear as this. Two stops were the norm last year, and I think we’ll see something similar, probably with the supersoft as the favoured race tyre. Pirelli have said that one-stoppers are possible. Quite something when we remember that the doomsayers were predicting five stops last year. How things change.

There is evidence to suggest that the Ferrari and the Williams are again good on their tyres – I can see the blue cars going for a single stop. I guess that we may expect something similar from Perez. What would be fun is if Ferrari went for it with Massa – it might just win him the race.

[WhiteBlue]

Yeongam is notorious for producing inconsistent Friday data. The track is not used by other cars. They simply close it away and there are no GP2 and Porsche sessions. The track was very very dusty and drivers were consistently getting off in T1.

[dxpetrov]

It's gonna be funny watching these ''educational guesses'' blow down the wind in the race tomorrow.
Do people really believe that Ferrari is now fastest car suddenly?! Something they haven't been all the way through the season.