2012 Indian Grand Prix - Buddh

[Chuckjr]

Don't they all do that?

[PhillipM]

No, 4 wheels over the white lines has usually been punished this year, and it's about time, Vettel should have had his fastest lap discounted for that.

[Chuckjr]

Tomorrow is easy win for Vettel thanks to smart red bull who never gave up on development and again created a car with highest downforce. Kudos to red bull.

Agreed. Newey is on an entirely different planet. Nobody is even close. He owns F1. I'm surprised Luca never landed him with all the money Ferrari has.

[ecapox]

I would be curious as to how many other cars cut those corners as well. I'd say if all 4 are off, lap is invalid...no matter who it was. But since this started with a picture of vettel cutting the corners anything said about a penalty will most likely be treated with "you just want vettel penalized and Alonso to win" around here and start a --- storm.

[munudeges]

Kerbs are considered part of the track. You're not going to get penalised for that.

[godlameroso]

True but the grass isn't

[dave34m]

Kerbs are considered part of the track. You're not going to get penalised for that.

Isn't 4 wheels over the white line the problem

[jz11]

Kerbs are considered part of the track. You're not going to get penalised for that.

there is a very clear definition of the track in the rules, problem lies with the officials being way too loose with enforcing them, then all the drama brakes loose, this overtook outside the track, that one cut the corner there last year and didn't get penalized, and this fellow is driving like that always, so its ok...

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20.2 Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.

[raymondu999]

Question - if you cut a corner like the pictures above, is it counted as "cutting" if your front tyres (or A front tyre) rejoins the circuit before the rear tyres leave the circuit?

No, 4 wheels over the white lines has usually been punished this year

While I agree that the principle should be punished, when has it been punished this year?

[lukeaar]

Question - if you cut a corner like the pictures above, is it counted as "cutting" if your front tyres (or A front tyre) rejoins the circuit before the rear tyres leave the circuit?

My interpretation of 20.2, ie "A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track", leads me to believe that, in a situation such as you described, the driver has not left the track.

[rssh]

May be old, but from Vettel Pole lap:



Corner Cutting???

Just check the turn 7 of Brazil ,there every lap and everytime every car has 4 wheels on the big curb there .


I am Finally going to BIC today raceday and will be at turn 10 (last year I was at turn 4) will try to get some video on the action (it will most probably from my phone though )

[raymondu999]

Question - if you cut a corner like the pictures above, is it counted as "cutting" if your front tyres (or A front tyre) rejoins the circuit before the rear tyres leave the circuit?

My interpretation of 20.2, ie "A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track", leads me to believe that, in a situation such as you described, the driver has not left the track.

Yes that's what I thought too. In "spirit" - Seb is indeed cutting the corner, but is this a loophole? As in, maybe his front wheels rejoined the circuit JUST before the rears leave the circuit

[banibhusan]

As per the rule posted above, the white lines define the track limit, not the kerbs. So yes if all 4 of his wheels are outside the white line then it's a breach of rules. But as Ray pointed out if front wheels join the track before the rears leave then its not against regulations. Unfortunately I didnt get any top view cam angle which would clarify that.

[Kiril Varbanov]

If there was a problem, rivals would have contested - don't over-analyze it.

What's more important is the technical superiority of RB8 - all four wheels off the track, DRS open, full throttle. All achieved through consistent work, excellent chassis and class aero package.

I read at Omnicorse that they use some "pasta" to mimic shark skin to reduce turbulence, etc, but that's old story and certainly can't find any new evidence.

[Websta]

As per the rule posted above, the white lines define the track limit, not the kerbs. So yes if all 4 of his wheels are outside the white line then it's a breach of rules. But as Ray pointed out if front wheels join the track before the rears leave then its not against regulations. Unfortunately I didnt get any top view cam angle which would clarify that.

I am about 70% sure that on both occasions I saw all 4 wheels off (both rears and fronts) from the track-side camera view. I also immediately thought that he would have the lap time deleted and I am pretty surprised that they didn't even take a look into it. I didn't watch any other laps though. Maybe everyone was doing it - is it possible they discussed it in a drivers meeting and it's being allowed? Seems very unlikely to me, but I don't know much about the rules.