The chances of having a safety car in the Yas Marina Circuit is fairly low as they have very wide run off area except if a car is stopped right in the middle of the trackmcalex wrote:I think they're speculating on safety car ...
The chances of having a safety car in the Yas Marina Circuit is fairly low as they have very wide run off area except if a car is stopped right in the middle of the trackmcalex wrote:I think they're speculating on safety car ...
Maldonado and Grosjean will do their part and if not they can still do a "stop the car" to Mark WebberNonNewtonic wrote:The chances of having a safety car in the Yas Marina Circuit is fairly low as they have very wide run off area except if a car is stopped right in the middle of the trackmcalex wrote:I think they're speculating on safety car ...
My guess is that the "force majeure" was in fact "renault told us to turn the engine off, we had no choice", and that it was then discovered that renault told them to turn it off because there was no fuel.lukeaar wrote:I really can't understand why so many of you believe that Red Bull tried to fake a failure... You should all take a look at the FIA notice again, specifically:
"The Stewards accepted the explanation and considered the incident as being a case of force majeure."
I'm sorry, but you can cry foul all you want, but you have to accept the fact that the stewards had access to much more information than you do in your armchair in front of your computer.
My guess is a low-pressure fuel pump failure.
The stewards may have accepted the explanation without investigation, given that they couldn't extract enough fuel for the sample and would be punishing them for that regardless.lukeaar wrote:I really can't understand why so many of you believe that Red Bull tried to fake a failure... You should all take a look at the FIA notice again, specifically:
"The Stewards accepted the explanation and considered the incident as being a case of force majeure."
I'm sorry, but you can cry foul all you want, but you have to accept the fact that the stewards had access to much more information than you do in your armchair in front of your computer.
My guess is a low-pressure fuel pump failure.
why must a RBR part always be illegal instead of being innovative?beelsebob wrote:So... Horner has now decided that Vettel will start from the pit lane, as they need to change the fuel tank and break park ferme... This now leaves me wondering what illegal fuel tank design has the FIA found on the red bull?
...not necessarily mean that the removal of bodywork to obtain a fuel sample is expressly prohibited?6.6.4 The sampling procedure must not necessitate starting the engine or the removal of bodywork (other than the cover over any refuelling connector).
Lol, do you really think that that would cause a safety carfenix4life wrote:Maldonado and Grosjean will do their part and if not they can still do a "stop the car" to Mark WebberNonNewtonic wrote:The chances of having a safety car in the Yas Marina Circuit is fairly low as they have very wide run off area except if a car is stopped right in the middle of the trackmcalex wrote:I think they're speculating on safety car ...
They can always hope for a Safety Car but I think they will try a setup which will allow them to overtake a bit more at the straight.
Nothing: it was completely the decision from Red Bull to do so. When you have malfunctioning fuel systems, and you are starting last anyway, that is a very sensible decision, which brings me to my next point:beelsebob wrote:So... Horner has now decided that Vettel will start from the pit lane, as they need to change the fuel tank and break park ferme... This now leaves me wondering what illegal fuel tank design has the FIA found on the red bull?
what is abnormal about Vettel qualifying on sat was when his right rear hit the sidewall and the impact should be enough to cause some damage to a "normal" f1 car. I am not sure if the fuel issue has got something to do with it.turbof1 wrote:Nothing: it was completely the decision from Red Bull to do so. When you have malfunctioning fuel systems, and you are starting last anyway, that is a very sensible decision, which brings me to my next point:beelsebob wrote:So... Horner has now decided that Vettel will start from the pit lane, as they need to change the fuel tank and break park ferme... This now leaves me wondering what illegal fuel tank design has the FIA found on the red bull?
I think we have alot of "conspiracy-theory people" around here: it really is too far fetched to think that Red Bull tried to lie its way out of it; the statement of the FIA makes that much more clear: it was force majeure (no, beelsebob: force majeure does not include underfueling as that is within the control of the team!), so something really was going wrong in the car.
The FIA has already had to ask Red Bull to modify their car this year, and the team have history with lying to the public. "Oh we built an illegal way to adjust the suspension by hand but we promise we don't ever use it, even though it would carry a weight penalty. We simply love carrying extra weight on the car for no reason." "That's not a slot, it's a hole with an extra edge. 100% legal, can't even believe it's being questioned!" "We can't disable the off throttle exhaust blowing as it's required to cool our engine and it'll fail unless we at least cold blow the exhausts." That last one was right before they completed an entire GP without being allowed to do it. The team are habitual liars pure and simple.turbof1 wrote:Nothing: it was completely the decision from Red Bull to do so. When you have malfunctioning fuel systems, and you are starting last anyway, that is a very sensible decision, which brings me to my next point:beelsebob wrote:So... Horner has now decided that Vettel will start from the pit lane, as they need to change the fuel tank and break park ferme... This now leaves me wondering what illegal fuel tank design has the FIA found on the red bull?
I think we have alot of "conspiracy-theory people" around here: it really is too far fetched to think that Red Bull tried to lie its way out of it; the statement of the FIA makes that much more clear: it was force majeure (no, beelsebob: force majeure does not include underfueling as that is within the control of the team!), so something really was going wrong in the car.