2012 US GP - Circuit of the Americas

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Claiming the McLaren was the fastest car today doesn't hold, IMO. Vettel set the fastest lap and after Hamilton's pass he stayed within 1.5s for the remainder of the race. He finished just 0.6s behind him.

Vettel drove a flawless race, but Hamilton was unstoppable. I think it's fair to say that he made the difference today.
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WhiteBlue wrote:It looks like the thread is ready for closure. Nothing but fanboy yinyang.
+1

There is no "if" in any sport.


Don't look too much into fastest lap especially since the refueling ban...
Some cars may be relatively stronger at certain fuel loads than heavier/lighter etc. It varies across the field. Classic case is the BAR in '06. Pretty good when brim'd, pretty useless when on fumes which was important in the sprint stints back then..
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zeph wrote:Claiming the McLaren was the fastest car today doesn't hold, IMO. Vettel set the fastest lap and after Hamilton's pass he stayed within 1.5s for the remainder of the race. He finished just 0.6s behind him.

Vettel drove a flawless race, but Hamilton was unstoppable. I think it's fair to say that he made the difference today.

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zeph wrote:Claiming the McLaren was the fastest car today doesn't hold, IMO. Vettel set the fastest lap and after Hamilton's pass he stayed within 1.5s for the remainder of the race. He finished just 0.6s behind him.

Vettel drove a flawless race, but Hamilton was unstoppable. I think it's fair to say that he made the difference today.
Hamilton said he was just managing the tyres and keeping the gap and 1,2-1,5s. he backed of on the last lap, hence 0,6s final difference.

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Thank you Ramondu, well said.

Two points:
This time Pirelli was conservative in tyre choice and we saw a race comparable to the Bridgestone times (almost all teams on a one stopper).
If we ignore the problems of getting temperature, was not that bad, was it?

Second: RBR won the third consecutive WCC and SKY and AMuS say that that would be the first time in history. Didn't Ferrari win the WCC from 1999 to 2004? Did I misuderstand sth.?

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I don't know what SKY/AMuS are saying, but Red Bull have won their FIRST three WCCs in a row. That's the first time it happened. Others HAVE won 3 in a row - but not the FIRST three.
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raymondu999 wrote:I don't know what SKY/AMuS are saying, but Red Bull have won their FIRST three WCCs in a row. That's the first time it happened. Others HAVE won 3 in a row - but not the FIRST three.
Yeah, I think they are saying no other team have won 3 successive WCC in row, with the first of the 3 being their first ever WCC
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Intego wrote:Thank you Ramondu, well said.

Two points:
This time Pirelli was conservative in tyre choice and we saw a race comparable to the Bridgestone times (almost all teams on a one stopper).
If we ignore the problems of getting temperature, was not that bad, was it?
The race was aided by the lack of grip - it was almost like a wet race from that point of view, where mistakes were made and drivers could really make a difference. If we could have that for every race then we'd be good with long life tyres. At most races though this wouldn't be the case, and we'd end up with a processional race.

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I don't know what the majority view on it is, but my personal view is that it's fantastic. I love the return to push-push racing.
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I still do think that they should put transponders on the cars, and when a DRS enabled attacker comes fully alongside the defender should also be allowed to open his DRS flap. Vettel in this instance had no chance to defend once Hamilton was close enough to make a pass with DRS. It wasn't an epic duel, Hamilton dully zipped passed him - but could very well have been one.

This sort of thing is not good for F1. There could be other ways (like the one suggested above) to encourage braking duels and more side by side racing.
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I agree with raymund,
the pitstops take away from on track battles.
After Vettel's stop i knew there was nothing else the team could do to help him. All he had was his abilities vs Hamilton's.
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raymondu999 wrote:I don't know what the majority view on it is, but my personal view is that it's fantastic. I love the return to push-push racing.
Agreed. I think Tilke got it right with CotA, because there's more than one racing line around crucial parts of the track, and that's precisely what a track needs for cars with more or less similar performance.

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Yeah, Id say go for harder tyres, and let the drivers push 100% over the whole race. It will give the drivers more chance to shine.
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Shrieker wrote:I still do think that they should put transponders on the cars, and when a DRS enabled attacker comes fully alongside the defender should also be allowed to open his DRS flap. Vettel in this instance had no chance to defend once Hamilton was close enough to make a pass with DRS. It wasn't an epic duel, Hamilton dully zipped passed him - but could very well have been one.
Heh, to be honest, I don't remember a more epic dual... close to ever. The battle raged for near enough 40 laps!

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THAT WAS A HELL OF A GP =D> =D> =D> =D>
Stunning Hamilton and Superb Vettel...it was delightful to watch , good also that the championship will have to be decided in the ultimate round in Interlagos :D
(About the VET vs HAM battle , i think that Vettel's driving style , he is not agressive and does not take risks as hamilton does this had cost him too much time in S1 alone As he was losing an average of 3 to 4 tenths per lap but gains 3 tenths in S3 because of the Legendary traction of the RB8..)

Best Drivers: Hamilton and Vettel ..on a different dimension ! :shock: , Kudos to Massa ! and Fred as usal
Nice drive from Button and bouuuuuuh what a block by Schumacher ! thank god there wasn't any barrier otherwise i could have been the same situation as with Barichello in the Hungaroring 2010.
Best Team: Mclaren Mercedes, RBR.
Best Overtake: Kimi Raikkonen outside on Hulkenberg , it takes some big b***s to do that actually !
In a Nutshell: Amazing GP in an Amazing Country with Amazing fans in a very Nice Track =D>
really looking forward to interlagos
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