2012 US GP - Circuit of the Americas

[beelsebob]

It makes no sense to come up with such unspecific statements. The RB8 was quicker in qualifying trim and the MP4-27 obviously faster on race pace. People who try to portrait it different are not recognizing the facts.

I disagree. The RB8 was clearly faster in qually trim, and arguably faster in race trim. Both Vettel and Webber were setting very similar paces, while Hamilton could just about keep up with that pace in race trim, and Button couldn't even with newer, softer tyres.

To me, that says, the RB8 was faster in qually trim, and faster in race trim (but to a lesser extent). Hamilton's driving then made sufficient difference to win the race.

[WhiteBlue]

People who try to portrait it different are not recognizing the facts.

I rest my case, all is said.

[beelsebob]

People who try to portrait it different are not recognizing the facts.

I rest my case, all is said.

Which roughly translates to "if your opinion differs from mine, you're clearly wrong".

[WhiteBlue]

It roughly translates to: I'm not arguing cases of opinion. Particularly not cases where people believe the driver can extract more than 100% from a car. I can argue regulations though as you will see in the Brazil thread.

[beelsebob]

It roughly translates to: I'm not arguing cases of opinion. Particularly not cases where people believe the driver can extract more than 100% from a car. I can argue regulations though as you will see in the Brazil thread.

No one said a driver extracted more than 100% from the car. Instead they argued that a driver extracted closer to 100% from one car than another driver; and that said driver also extracted closer to 100% from their car than another two drivers in another car. Re regulations – try reading them harder, as I pointed out in the brazil thread.

[WhiteBlue]

Sure. As I have already conceded you are perfectly entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to debate that.

[mnmracer]

It makes no sense to come up with such unspecific statements. The RB8 was quicker in qualifying trim and the MP4-27 obviously faster on race pace. People who try to portrait it different are not recognizing the facts.

I disagree. The RB8 was clearly faster in qually trim, and arguably faster in race trim. Both Vettel and Webber were setting very similar paces, while Hamilton could just about keep up with that pace in race trim, and Button couldn't even with newer, softer tyres.

To me, that says, the RB8 was faster in qually trim, and faster in race trim (but to a lesser extent). Hamilton's driving then made sufficient difference to win the race.

Speaking of facts:
In the 7 laps that both Webber and Button ran in free air, Button was on average 0.03 seconds faster, but while on harder tires.
The biggest gap Vettel made up to Hamilton was 1.1s, the biggest gap Hamilton made up to Vettel in a lap was 1.7s.

Make of that what you want

[CHT]

It makes no sense to come up with such unspecific statements. The RB8 was quicker in qualifying trim and the MP4-27 obviously faster on race pace. People who try to portrait it different are not recognizing the facts.

I disagree. The RB8 was clearly faster in qually trim, and arguably faster in race trim. Both Vettel and Webber were setting very similar paces, while Hamilton could just about keep up with that pace in race trim, and Button couldn't even with newer, softer tyres.

To me, that says, the RB8 was faster in qually trim, and faster in race trim (but to a lesser extent). Hamilton's driving then made sufficient difference to win the race.

The biggest difference between Lewis and vettel is that Lewis can afford to take big risk, over drive the car and suffer a dnf, while vettel needs to bring the car home to win the wcc and Wdc. Vettel did a superb race trying to defend himself and not do anything stupid, he was overtaken because of drs, nothing surprising actually.

[Poleman]

Hamilton was driving on the edge during the whole of Q3, you can't maintain that over a race in my view.

Your post came first thing in my mind after the race...To my (and everybody's i believe) surprise HAM did exactly that =D>

[KATO]

I hoped For something like this I liked this race alot.. It's a Drivers race for about 70% of the time but then it tests the cars with testing their technical ability to keep up pace.. I don't like how Mercedez and Sauber both fell off pace.. But that just shows that the track is challenging.. With everyone on one stop it makes it all just the more amazing .. Button did well... This is such a kool race it's a total success in my opinion it doesn't close itself up like Monaco.. It's Epic a thrilling site to enjoy.. 100% of the way-!!

[hairy_scotsman]

Wow. What a great 4 days.

I'm a total zombie right now, but I have about a bazillion photos to sort through from all around the circuit, the paddock, & pit lane. I'll get some up as soon as i can, which probably means sometime tomorrow. Hope you all enjoyed the race. I know I did.

For the time being, here are a handful of phone photos I took in the last few days:

[jamsbong]

I'm really glad Hamilton won the race. I think he finally figured out the track and how to go fast around it. The Mclaren has always had a fast package all year round but plague with errors from team and reliability problems.

For Vettel, it is the day when the cucumber strike again. lol

Alonso is a driver who clearly needs a #2 driver in full support of him. Massa has been demoted to a full-time Alonso's loyal puppy. Personally, I do not think he deserves to win this championship. I know many fans would love an underdogs to win but Alonso's method is cowardly. I much rather Hamilton, Kimi, Schumacher or Vettel to win because they have gotten where they are with no active help from teammate.

[Cam]

Hi Tim, meant to ask you how was your experience during the race and how did the the lead up, with all the development and construction - did it live up to expectations and how was it received by the locals (the track itself and amenities)?

[Kiril Varbanov]

Hi Tim, meant to ask you how was your experience during the race and how did the the lead up, with all the development and construction - did it live up to expectations and how was it received by the locals (the track itself and amenities)?

+1 - same question is really interesting for me as well.

Great race, congratulations Lewis.

[zeph]

Alonso is a driver who clearly needs a #2 driver in full support of him. Massa has been demoted to a full-time Alonso's loyal puppy. Personally, I do not think he deserves to win this championship. I know many fans would love an underdogs to win but Alonso's method is cowardly. I much rather Hamilton, Kimi, Schumacher or Vettel to win because they have gotten where they are with no active help from teammate.

Really? Webber, not a no.2? Grosjean? And ask Barichello about Schumacher and second drivers. Button at McLaren is not, I'll give you that.

Massa is where he is because he is out of the championship, whereas Alonso still has a tiny chance. Yes, he plays second fiddle and I can understand how you have a problem with that, but I for one appreciate that Ferrari doesn't hide it. Much better than RBR's hypocritical stance.