2012 US GP - Circuit of the Americas

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gilgen wrote:
ell66 wrote:was also shocked at vettel moving over, very silly move to make when leading the championship.
From the overheads, Vettel was running on the left hand side to defend himself from a pass on the inside. He then made ONE move to centre of road, as he was entitled to do under the current rules, but he stopped his move when he saw Hamilton alongside him. He could have gone over further, so he was really being sensible.
His one move was to the left. The move back to the right was a second move that he aborted when Hamilton drew alongside.

The danger of it, and why he is rightly being criticised in my opinion, is that he made that move as a sudden turn at the same time as Hamilton was trying to pull out of the slipstream to make his pass.

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myurr wrote:
gilgen wrote:
ell66 wrote:was also shocked at vettel moving over, very silly move to make when leading the championship.
From the overheads, Vettel was running on the left hand side to defend himself from a pass on the inside. He then made ONE move to centre of road, as he was entitled to do under the current rules, but he stopped his move when he saw Hamilton alongside him. He could have gone over further, so he was really being sensible.
His one move was to the left. The move back to the right was a second move that he aborted when Hamilton drew alongside.

The danger of it, and why he is rightly being criticised in my opinion, is that he made that move as a sudden turn at the same time as Hamilton was trying to pull out of the slipstream to make his pass.

100% correct, If it wasnt for Lewis quickly avoiding contact, Vettel would have lost a tyre, at those speads it could have been Mansell 86 all over again! Seb moved a little too much, left then right, but it doesnt matter, Lewis passed with ease. Not that Seb complained...... oh wait.
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The danger of it, and why he is rightly being criticised in my opinion, is that he made that move as a sudden turn at the same time as Hamilton was trying to pull out of the slipstream to make his pass.
And he was to use his ESP to know this??
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Kimi's pass on Hulk. On board at end of video shows how good Kimi's race-craft is.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZGbCBeP5po[/youtube]

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strad wrote:
The danger of it, and why he is rightly being criticised in my opinion, is that he made that move as a sudden turn at the same time as Hamilton was trying to pull out of the slipstream to make his pass.
And he was to use his ESP to know this??
No, but the point is that if he wasn't trying to make a second move while defending, he'd have had nothing to worry about in the first place.

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Hobbs04 wrote:What is the personality of CotA? Ive been trying to figure out what kind of track it is. Most every great track has a personality say Monza or Spa but I can't put a finger on what CotA is in one sentence.

Any suggestions?
COTA, with good elevation change, is a deceptively technical circuit. And depending on how creative you get, there's more places to pass than it might appear, and it shows you as much. I think that's part of it's deceptivness. There's definitely places where mistakes can be made... but you won't get flushed entirely down the toilet. In the wet, this circuit could prove an incredibly tough drive. However, I don't think we've seen it's complete nature yet. Put on some softs and we might see some different aspects (character) to the circuit. That's my 2 cents. It'll be interesting to see how the MotoGPs handle it next year.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
strad wrote:
The danger of it, and why he is rightly being criticised in my opinion, is that he made that move as a sudden turn at the same time as Hamilton was trying to pull out of the slipstream to make his pass.
And he was to use his ESP to know this??
No, but the point is that if he wasn't trying to make a second move while defending, he'd have had nothing to worry about in the first place.
He could have used the experience of Turkey 2010 as a reminder, he did the same thing to Webber and it ended in tears.

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read this comment on a forum (it´s subscription based so useless to link)

I don´t know how true it is but if it is then this is fantastic news for USA.
bigger crowd at texas for FP1 & 2 then for NASCAR at homestead for the sprint cup, nationwide & truck series practice & qualifying
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Nando wrote:read this comment on a forum (it´s subscription based so useless to link)

I don´t know how true it is but if it is then this is fantastic news for USA.
bigger crowd at texas for FP1 & 2 then for NASCAR at homestead for the sprint cup, nationwide & truck series practice & qualifying
NASCAR is declining and this was an opening F1 event, so those numbers wouldn't surprise me. Let's see how they can, not only maintain, but grow these numbers in the future - that will be the real challenge.
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sknguy wrote:
Hobbs04 wrote:What is the personality of CotA? Ive been trying to figure out what kind of track it is. Most every great track has a personality say Monza or Spa but I can't put a finger on what CotA is in one sentence.

Any suggestions?
COTA, with good elevation change, is a deceptively technical circuit. And depending on how creative you get, there's more places to pass than it might appear, and it shows you as much. I think that's part of it's deceptivness. There's definitely places where mistakes can be made... but you won't get flushed entirely down the toilet. In the wet, this circuit could prove an incredibly tough drive. However, I don't think we've seen it's complete nature yet. Put on some softs and we might see some different aspects (character) to the circuit. That's my 2 cents. It'll be interesting to see how the MotoGPs handle it next year.
I wish I remember what podcast I heard this on but they were talking about the Porsche super cup cars. One driver was losing 5 seconds in sector 1 alone just by running wrong line. Obviously the lack of grip offline plays into that.

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And when should they have been driving there? :wtf:
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Intego wrote:And when should they have been driving there? :wtf:
I'm trying find where I heard that.

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Hobbs04 wrote:
Intego wrote:And when should they have been driving there? :wtf:
I'm trying find where I heard that.
What I think Intego meant was it was a USA GT3 Cup that raced at COTA not the Porche Supercups.

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Finally got to watch the SkyF1 coverage, and I must say that the intro they did with Mario Andretti was very well done. I think it captured American motorsports very well, wasn't condescending, and the coverage of the crazy trackside displays with the bands and all was good. I really enjoyed their pre-race show because they see that we Americans love Formula 1 and are very passionate motorsports fans of all disciplines. Very well done to SkyF1, respect shown and most definitely given. =D>

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sknguy wrote:
Hobbs04 wrote:
Intego wrote:And when should they have been driving there? :wtf:
I'm trying find where I heard that.
What I think Intego meant was it was a USA GT3 Cup that raced at COTA not the Porche Supercups.
I found it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0ryGQw ... ata_player
It's an American motorsports show only on YouTube it's called Drive. The host talks about F1 from American perspective. About 20 min in he talks about Pirelli Porsche cup car that was losing a lot of time in S1... I recommend the video to anyone who has a spare 40 min.