2012 Brazilian GP - Interlagos

[Formula one fan]

And until they got the blown exhaust working Webber was beating, or at least matching, Vettel. Seb is just better than Webber at extracting the potential of that single device.[/quote]

If that's the case then what happen to mark this year? EBD's were not allowed this year.[/quote]

Sorry but that comment just shows a lack of understanding. The exhaust is still aerodynamically blowing the outside of the diffuser, that's what the ramp is all about, and the big upgrade on the Red Bull that got Vettel back to the front of the grid was a combination of getting that device working and getting the stalling of the rear wing during qualifying working.[/quote]

Def not trying to argue about this subject as I have never studied physics or anything about aerodynamics. What I do kmow is that everyone in the paddock is allowed to set their car up however they see fit within the rules put forth to them by the fia and red bull along with the driver feedback from vettel obviously set their car up good enough throughout the season to win a third straight WDC.

[raymondu999]

Question - could Vettel's pass have been under yellow-orange flags?

do you mean yellow and red striped? No, the boards were very clearly flashing yellow, they don't use the boards for red and yellow.

Fry just said he thought it was. Odd.

[beelsebob]

BTW for every Hamilton mechanical failure or Alonso being taken out there is an alternator failure of Vettel as well.

Actually, Vettel had 1 alternator failure during a race, Hamilton has been taken out of the lead in 4 seperate races by mechanical failures, and had more issues from all kinds of other things like anti-roll bar failures, and endless pit stop disasters. So no, not even close.

[enckboaz]

BTW for every Hamilton mechanical failure or Alonso being taken out there is an alternator failure of Vettel as well.

Without it who knows if the championship would have gone to this position.

Alonso is an immense driver no doubt, the Red Bull is the stronger car. But Formula1 has always been Driver + Car combo & Vettel has done his job brilliantly too.

i agree ut alonso hav always drive hover the problems. with strong head.
even today vettel was very very very fast bust still he maqde a huge mess... he is not hard headed enought for me

[siskue2005]

Question - could Vettel's pass have been under yellow-orange flags?

do you mean yellow and red striped? No, the boards were very clearly flashing yellow, they don't use the boards for red and yellow.

Martin Brundle ‏@MBrundleF1
To answer many it appears the warning lights were red and yellow for slippery track not yellow so nothing to answer for Vettel.

so there is no problem
it seems that Vettel is the Youngest ever Triple WDC by almost 5 yrs =D>
and the only 3rd driver in the history to win 3 WDC on a trot, behind Fangio and Schumy =D>

[FakeAlonso]

What lap did this yellow flag pass happen? I'll pull a video of it from my dvr.

early stages maybe between 8-15 not sure though.

Waiting for sky for the analyzes.

[JimClarkFan]

Question - could Vettel's pass have been under yellow-orange flags?

Possible... for some reason I didn't see the event. I'm waiting for a vid.

[GrizzleBoy]

why not

Politics and public image from stripping Vettel of the title.

For me this race sums up the season beautifully - Alonso did the best he could with his car, and Vettel drove very inconsistently. He had the pace at times and made some good overtakes, but also made some clumsy moves and a couple of mistakes including that rookie first lap and overtaking Kobayashi under yellow flags. But ultimately the Red Bull was a good enough car to carry him home.

Third best driver in the best car brought it home today.

How 3rd best?? Way better than over-rated Hamilton.

Hamilton was out-driven by both Hulkernberg & Button for major part of the race. A Lucky SC got him even close to a victory. Race Pace isnt everything. Even Grosjean is quick

Vettel was shunted out by Senna. He had a damaged car which was WORSE & DEFINITELY Worse than Hamilton & Alonso & those weak-nesses got exposed in the dry. Vettel was 20 & last at the end of the 1st lap for no fault of his own.

In the rain he did a brilliant job. The team screwed up, made a blunder again with a pitstop & Vettel with Damaged machinery fought his way up.

Brilliant. Brilliant Drive.

Top Class Driver.

Alonso is probably More Deserving. World Class, Absolutely as good as anyone even in inferior machinery.

But Hamilton who probably fluked his way to a win in 2008 thanks to Glock screwing it up SHOULD never ever be compared to these guys.

Compare the amount of mistakes Vettel has made on track compared to Alonso and Hamilton this season and try talking about "deserving" championships.

Vettel made LOADS of mistakes this year and was saved time and again by the speed of his car.

Alonso and Hamilton have been almost flawless, but were dragged down by lack of pace in their team (Alonso) and unfathomable reliability issues (Hamilton).

Lewis did everything he needed to do to win the championship this year by a very good margin and McLaren GAVE it first to Alonso, kind of started going well, then GAVE it to Vettel.

Its quite easy to see who drove the best out of Vettel and Hamilton this year.

[siskue2005]

Martin Brundle ‏@MBrundleF1
To answer many it appears the warning lights were red and yellow for slippery track not yellow so nothing to answer for Vettel.

[McMrocks]

I don't want to intervene in the fight between the Alonso and Vettel fans. I just want to say that you can't win a championship without a car. At the end you need a good car to win a WDC and a WCC. Alonso wasn't having more bad luck than Vettel.

[LionKing]

Wow u Alonso lovers are sore losers!! I think u have to give credit where credit is due. Mark webber has had the exact same car as vettel for the last three years and he hasnt won his first wdc yet.

And until they got the blown exhaust working Webber was beating, or at least matching, Vettel. Seb is just better than Webber at extracting the potential of that single device.

If that's the case then what happen to mark this year? EBD's were not allowed this year.

Vettel has been beating Webber, pre EBD, during EBD, post EBD...
In 2009
In 2010 before EBD. He would have won all of the first three races if not for two reliability problems.
In 2012:
Australia he was 2nd compared to Webber's 4th (RBR s first podium)
In Malaysia he was in 4th place in front of Webber before Kartkhikeyan incident.
In China he was beaten by Webber (4th), Vettel 5th.
In Bahrain he won (RBR's first win)
In Spain Vettel 6th and Webber 11th
In Monaco Webber was better he won (Vettel 4th from 11th on grid)
In Canada Vettel was better 4th compared to 7th for Webber.
In Valencia Vettel retired from very likely race win with alternator Webber eventually finished 4th (Grosjean,Lewis, Maldonado retired in front of Webber)

So when exactly was Webber beating Vettel???

People just prefer to be sore losers and resort to nonsense instead....

[Cylinder]

Congrats to Vettel, but in my view, it's just a number, Alonso in that red bull would have taken the title before interlagos, and as for the luck on the first lap avoiding suspension or other major damage......unbelievable.

The biggest disgrace was Michael Schumacher moving over like that, what a slap in the face to all the Tifosi, personally, as far as im concerned, he doesnt exist, he fights everyone tooth and nail and then just moves over like that, personally i felt that was disgraceful.

For me, Alonso is the most complete driver in the world, 3 points behind the red bull in the 3rd best car. And to be honest, Hamilton would have won the championship had it not been for some of the most ridiculous luck I have ever seen in my life.

I dunno, congrats to the kid, but the bottom line is this, 3 world titles and yet most insiders would tell you he is not the best driver in the world........say it all really. Alonso will have to make do with the Autosport driver of the year award and the team bosses and drivers voting him the best in the world again, just like in 2010.

[SSS]

BTW for every Hamilton mechanical failure or Alonso being taken out there is an alternator failure of Vettel as well.

Actually, Vettel had 1 alternator failure during a race, Hamilton has been taken out of the lead in 4 seperate races by mechanical failures, and had more issues from all kinds of other things like anti-roll bar failures, and endless pit stop disasters. So no, not even close.

Vettel has had 2 Alternator Failures if I am not wrong or Red Bull for that matter.

Atleast Vettel was not completed beaten by 20s starting on pole of the very 1st race.

Anyways Hamilton has made a bad tactical choice. He could have been a WDC next year with Mclaren now he will have to battle hard to make Q2 & Q3. Sad ending for DEFINITELY a very quick driver, more deserving than a Perez of a Grosjean for sure

[enckboaz]

hamilton on italian tv: " i have to give my congratulations
to Alons... excuse me vettel for the WDC"

[Joie de vivre]

I can't wait for 2014, when aerodynamic grip won't play such an important role but mechanical grip instead.