2012 Brazilian GP - Interlagos

[Vasconia]

It has been an excellent race, a very exciting one with lots of good battles, changes and a little bit of chaos as I had expected. It was a pity for Hulk because he did a great race and he deserved to win, I am still amazed by his incredible pace.

Very good races from Schu and Seb recovering from awful starts, and once again Massa was faster than Alonso which is interesting, lets see what happens in 2013.

It was a pity for Alonso because he has done a great championship but his last three races have not been so good and Seb has had the best car, anyway a great battle between great drivers.

I dont understand why Hulk received that penalty, he didnt do anything crazy or dangerous, it was simply a little mistake in a battle, it happens and I dont accept this policy, what they want? drivers have to take some risks and battle, its the essence of F1.

[raymondu999]

IMO it's a consequence-based penalty. He was penalised not because of him sliding under braking, but because he took Hamilton out of the race.

[beelsebob]

IMO it's a consequence-based penalty. He was penalised not because of him sliding under braking, but because he took Hamilton out of the race.

I'm pretty sure it was simply because he caused a collision. Hamilton locked up and only barely made tho corner and hulk had braked even later, he simply did not have control, and because of that collided with someone, it's about as simple as a penalty can get.

[PABLOEING]

... fanboy yellow flag spam ....

[stefan_]

Stop the yellow flag bulls**t. The race is done, results confirmed and Sebastian is WDC. Deal with it and pray that your favourite teams/drivers get their heads together and build a god damn good car to challenge the bulls next season.

Brazil 2012 was the most enjoyable race this season for me. I was impressed with Hulkenberg, Massa's drive was brilliant (the guys who were screaming that Ferrari better sack him should give themselves a smack on the face) and the mixed conditions really spiced up the final grand prix of the season.

Now I have to figure out what to do with my life until February.

[Richard]

Yup, Massa was awesome, I loved the teamwork. The way he shepherded Webber to one side to let Alonso through was stunning. His role as the rear defensive shield was also very impressive taking slightly wide lines to guard Alsonso.

It reminded me of the Tour De France super domestiques. That role is as skilled and specialist as being the star in the yellow jersey.

It was also an echo from Fangio’s era. In those days if Massa was in second and Alonso suck at the back then they’d swap cars in the pits so Alonso could share the points.

[GrizzleBoy]

I don't mean to be "that guy", but there is new undeniable video evidence of Vettel overtaking under yellow flags, just not the overtake anyone is thinking of.

Interesting vid. Skip to 10:50 for the "kicker".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFER0esusF0[/youtube]

[Shrieker]

So it turns out a toro rosso whoring for Vettel actually causes him to overtake under yellow flag conditions.

IMHO they'll just reprimand Vettel(tops) and sweep it under the rug. He should receive a time penalty for that since the race is over. Ideally, it should've been spotted at the time(incompetence on FIA's part since it wasn't) and a drive through penalty issued. Since there was a sc period later, it probably would've had not such a big impact on Vettel's race anyway. But all throughout the year the FIA have been rather draconian about yellow flag infringments IIRC, so if Vettel gets away people will start protesting the double standards and rightfully so.

[raymondu999]

Obviously Vettel hasn’t received a penalty so either this was legal or the stewards didn’t notice it. Given that we can all watch Vettel’s onboard feed I’d be very surprised if Ferrari didn’t have someone doing so, looking out for exactly this sort of thing. After all, they were quick to dismiss the suggestion that Vettel had overtaken Kobayashi illegally.

I'll wait and trust the stewards and Ferrari on this one. With F1 such a competitive sport, it becomes a self-policing society, especially with a WDC at stake.

[Shrieker]

I don't think if any attempt will be made to win the title on the table. It would be BAD for F1. On the other hand, the evidence is undeniable...

[GrizzleBoy]

I don't think anyone's waiting for Stewards to do anything. What is, is what is.

Just seems to be another one of those instances we can discuss where rules only matter when someone decides they do, which kind of grates after Vettel's condemning of apparent "dirty tricks".

[raymondu999]

Taken from the comments on the video (don't shoot the messenger)

At 11:51, the marshall post at the pitlane exit shows a marshall with a green flag in his hand. Controversy over. Onto 2013.

[GrizzleBoy]

Taken from the comments on the video (don't shoot the messenger)

At 11:51, the marshall post at the pitlane exit shows a marshall with a green flag in his hand. Controversy over. Onto 2013.

Except for the flashing yellows and illuminated yellow flag indicators on Sebs dash O_o

[Shrieker]

Taken from the comments on the video (don't shoot the messenger)

At 11:51, the marshall post at the pitlane exit shows a marshall with a green flag in his hand. Controversy over. Onto 2013.

Honestly you can't make anything out from the video about that. If a green flag is waved there, then why don't the yellow lights on his dash disappear?

[raymondu999]

Yes, but not all marshall posts are that high tech.

AFAIK, cockpit lights synch to sensors on light stations, not every marshal’s post has a light station attached (and post 5 in Interlagos doesn’t have any lights) and drivers have to obey flags first and foremost, lights are supplementary signals