Red Bull RB9 Renault

[wesley123]

What's interesting is how small AoA they run on the rear wing. It seems smaller than last year and is definitely a lot smaller than what the other teams run.

[dxpetrov]

What's interesting is how small AoA they run on the rear wing. It seems smaller than last year and is definitely a lot smaller than what the other teams run.

Yes, it plays to their advantage the new DRS rules. RB is a highest DF car so they can afford to run the skinniest wing. The DRS delta is not that important anymore. Other teams cannot use the superior engine power to offset the DF deficit from now on.

[atanatizante]

What's interesting is how small AoA they run on the rear wing. It seems smaller than last year and is definitely a lot smaller than what the other teams run.

It`s resemblance with Sauber`s very curved main plan RW but on lesser extent, thus making kind of optical illusion and you are deceived into believing that it has a small AoA, don`t you think?
Also if they have a Monza RW style and angle it doesn`t fit with their slowest top speed on the grid: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... _trap.html

Anyway what`s the benefit of having such a curved flap?

[wesley123]

No I'm not being deceived into that, it is actually running much less AoA on the rear wing.

Take a look to the others, they have the flap close to vertical, the Red Bull flap doesnt even come close to that

[atanatizante]

No I'm not being deceived into that, it is actually running much less AoA on the rear wing.

Take a look to the others, they have the flap close to vertical, the Red Bull flap doesnt even come close to that

Then how could you explain their slowest top speed correlation with RW AoA ?

[Forza]

F1 Australian GP - Friday FP - 15/3/2013

[Nando]

No I'm not being deceived into that, it is actually running much less AoA on the rear wing.

Take a look to the others, they have the flap close to vertical, the Red Bull flap doesnt even come close to that

Then how could you explain their slowest top speed correlation with RW AoA ?

Gearing.

The fact that they can get away running that little AoA is a sign of having an immense amount of rear downforce.

[gandharva]

No I'm not being deceived into that, it is actually running much less AoA on the rear wing.

Take a look to the others, they have the flap close to vertical, the Red Bull flap doesnt even come close to that

Then how could you explain their slowest top speed correlation with RW AoA ?

Gearing.

Yes, gearing and rake.

[GrizzleBoy]

A pic from teds "development corner" for comparison between RB and McL rear wing AoA:



What's even more interesting is that the Red Bulls still managed to be almost dead last in the speed traps.

As always, it seems everything about this team is fast into the corner and fast out. Any speed on the straights is a bonus

[Cam]

Great comparison pic. Really speaks volumes. That ethos has worked 3 times in a row. Why change when further refinements and subsequent gains are possible.

[Huntresa]

A pic from teds "development corner" for comparison between RB and McL rear wing AoA:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DCQ9 ... 160506.jpg

What's even more interesting is that the Red Bulls still managed to be almost dead last in the speed traps.

As always, it seems everything about this team is fast into the corner and fast out. Any speed on the straights is a bonus

Not just AoA tho, the entire RW is much smaller then the Mclaren one, as in aking towards smaller like in Canada or Monza but not as extreme but pretty extreme for this track

[hollus]

Everywhere you see a straight line in this car, it is either a structural part (suspension, roll hoop supports) or the limit of a regulation box. Almost everything else has at least a subtle curve to it, no aero surfaces are "planar". Every winglet curves, the louvers in the rear wing end plate curve, the pillars of the front wing are not perfectly vertical and bend a bit half way through... you don't see it to this extreme in other cars.
The only place where I can find an unnecessary straight line is in the separators inside the diffuser (bizarrely in one of the most important parts). Those seem to be exactly vertical for no apparent reason.

[RicerDude]

Everywhere you see a straight line in this car, it is either a structural part (suspension, roll hoop supports) or the limit of a regulation box. Almost everything else has at least a subtle curve to it, no aero surfaces are "planar". Every winglet curves, the louvers in the rear wing end plate curve, the pillars of the front wing are not perfectly vertical and bend a bit half way through... you don't see it to this extreme in other cars.
The only place where I can find an unnecessary straight line is in the separators inside the diffuser (bizarrely in one of the most important parts). Those seem to be exactly vertical for no apparent reason.

They are vertical on all cars, maybe its part of the regulations after they banned the DDD?

[munudeges]

What's even more interesting is that the Red Bulls still managed to be almost dead last in the speed traps.

Speed trap figures can be misleading. It's not just the top speed you end up reaching but how fast you accelerate to your ultimate top speed. That seems to be what Red Bull and a lot of Renault powered teams concentrate on, since I think it's fair to say the Renault engine doesn't quite have the top end power of others. You see that at Monza and Spa.

[shelly]

Looking at this picture two things imprss me:

- how much the rear main wing is twisted - we see this twist on every other car, but on rbr it is more extreme (even comapared to last year, even if the purple painting plays a part of course)

-front brake ducts: ensotn pioneered the intake inside the rim solution, and last year williams pushed that idea further with the scoopless duct. This year williams has adde a scoop because of blown nut, lotus has just a smal traditional scoop, whereas rbr has a very big scoop, as big as it was in 2009-10, even if they are running the inside rim intake. Ferrari, mclarne etc follow a completelty different philosophy. Why? What gain does rbr find in keeping such big front brake scoops?