2013 Malaysian GP - Sepang

[JMN]

Ferrari was painful to watch, Massa was invisible and Alonso had very bad luck, I saw wings with better damage staying 10 laps on the car without falling.

You can't be serious, the wing was hanging on half a pylon while scraping the road. Fernando drove brilliantly to defend his position, but staying out for a relatively minor gain by delaying the tire change will never stack up to the risks associated with running a dangling front wing. It doesn't matter whether it was Fernando or the team that made the call - it was a bad and risk prone decision all the same.

[myurr]

Thanks for posting the "maintain the gap" Video.
I love the kid. He nails it.
Vettel:"Be wise now, be wise."
"Maintain the gap are you having a laugh."

It is like telling Messi not to do anything fancy. I don't like your chances with that.
RACING all the way!
Vettel is totally honest about it till the end. I am overtaking the guy and nothing you can say will stop me.
Maybe the team should have told that to Webber. Webber has only them to blame. Tough luck.

"Vettel is totally honest about it till the end"... really? "Vettel is totally honest about it till the end"...

He's lying to your face about not knowing about the team orders, and you call him honest!?!?

[rssh]

I think trust is not there the other way around Seb doesn't trust Web period . Reasons if you have the Brazil 2012 race you can clearly see that Webbo didn't give a **** about the championship battle btw ALO and SEB he almost blocked him 4 times in the race and gave him the position back after repeated team instruction (Horner today confirmed it) . In 2011 when Webbo was told to hold station he raced SEB in the latter part of the race (still didn't get past =D> ) ,WEB own manager Flavio even said he would have told him to hold station (if he was the team principle) . In Silverstone 2011 Seb was given WEB wing because he was higher in championship (look at what Lotus is doing with GRO now and its fair enough)

In todays race it was clear that Web couldn't last the tyres as Seb could (check the slow mo replays and you can see the amount of degradation on WEB hard vs SEB med in the 2nd stint ,and SEB made them last longer) . Next due to WEB pacing and Hamilton pitting SEB lost 2nd place due to WEB pitting before than him (maybe this pissed SEB off ).

This was the payback time for SEB (call me a fanboy but these points are hard to argue) and not lack of sportsmanship cause if WEB would have been in his position chances are that he would have done the same .

If all that were true (it isn't) then why didn't Vettel just say that. Why did he feel the need to lie and why did the team feel the need to tell him he had some explaining to do? You won't get away from the fact that Vettel is lying to your face about what happened, and you talk about trust...

Well there is a thing called PR and SEB is very well versed with it (even ALO is very well versed with it 2010 german gp) , which WEB lacks and if SEB pointed it out in the open like WEB did then people will jump the wagon and say he disrespect everyone . What do you reckon SEB meant by BEHIND CLOSED DOORS

[Raptor22]

I think trust is not there the other way around Seb doesn't trust Web period . Reasons if you have the Brazil 2012 race you can clearly see that Webbo didn't give a **** about the championship battle btw ALO and SEB he almost blocked him 4 times in the race and gave him the position back after repeated team instruction (Horner today confirmed it) . In 2011 when Webbo was told to hold station he raced SEB in the latter part of the race (still didn't get past =D> ) ,WEB own manager Flavio even said he would have told him to hold station (if he was the team principle) . In Silverstone 2011 Seb was given WEB wing because he was higher in championship (look at what Lotus is doing with GRO now and its fair enough)

In todays race it was clear that Web couldn't last the tyres as Seb could (check the slow mo replays and you can see the amount of degradation on WEB hard vs SEB med in the 2nd stint ,and SEB made them last longer) . Next due to WEB pacing and Hamilton pitting SEB lost 2nd place due to WEB pitting before than him (maybe this pissed SEB off ).

This was the payback time for SEB (call me a fanboy but these points are hard to argue) and not lack of sportsmanship cause if WEB would have been in his position chances are that he would have done the same .

+1 very good post. This whole situation ois more indicative of Webbers unsportsmanlike chararacgter then Seb's.
Webber Alonso, Flavio,..........

[Bomber_Pilot]

RACING all the way!
Vettel is totally honest about it till the end. I am overtaking the guy and nothing you can say will stop me.
Maybe the team should have told that to Webber

Making a sitting duck of the guy in front of you... pure racing!

[FW17]

Pirelli joke continues. Today it took 5 sets of tyres to do 58 laps.

Which was exactly what they planned at the start of the season... Good job pirelli!

The reason refueling was banned keep the racing on track.

[wunderkind]

If Mark has decided to quit, then it may well be an interesting rest of the season. Don't expect Mark to abide by a single team order from now on.

Mark won't quit. Mark's not a quitter. He will move over for Hamilton or Alonso later in the season as payback.

[beelsebob]

Pirelli joke continues. Today it took 5 sets of tyres to do 58 laps.

Which was exactly what they planned at the start of the season... Good job pirelli!

The reason refueling was banned keep the racing on track.

Who said that? Last I checked, refueling was banned because it was dangerous.

[myurr]

Well there is a thing called PR and SEB is very well versed with it (even ALO is very well versed with it 2010 german gp) , which WEB lacks and if SEB pointed it out in the open like WEB did then people will jump the wagon and say he disrespect everyone . What do you reckon SEB meant by BEHIND CLOSED DOORS

How do you think brand Vettel is doing today? And perhaps SEB meant behind closed doors like when he called Webber crazy after Turkey, or even disparaged him over the radio in this race? Or maybe like when Marko criticised Webber before the season had even started?

I reckon what SEB really meant was that he didn't have a good explanation for what he did and wanted to hide behind closed doors where the team could protect him. He then changed tack and tried lying to his fans instead. How is that good PR when his team had already confirmed twice that he'd ignored team orders? Vettel is a hypocrite and a liar and there's no defending that.

[FW17]

Who said that? Last I checked, refueling was banned because it was dangerous.

[MWcrazyhorse]

Such a sureal situation that a driver is blamed for racing and overtaking.
Vettel told the team on the track on the radio he is going to fight for spot #1.
That is exactly what he did. =D>
Clearly Red Bull seems much more concerned about the constructors championship.
Vettel is getting some flak.
I hope the team resolves this and next time there is no more order.

[Hail22]

What Ted Kravitz said in the last 10 seconds of his notebook looked and sounded like a betrayed fan/enthusiast of the sport...

"Perhaps having known Sebastian since the start of his career, even with all his previous apologies I think a little less of him"

That must hurt TK to say that as he's quite the F1 fan, enthusiast and so on....

[Raptor22]

If Mark has decided to quit, then it may well be an interesting rest of the season. Don't expect Mark to abide by a single team order from now on.

Mark won't quit. Mark's not a quitter. He will move over for Hamilton or Alonso later in the season as payback.

You mean like in Brasil in 2012 when Webber tried hard to help Alonso win the championship....?

[noname]

Merc and RB may have some sh***t to deal with, but I am sure there is a big smile on Bernie's face.

[theblackangus]

Well there is a thing called PR and SEB is very well versed with it (even ALO is very well versed with it 2010 german gp) , which WEB lacks and if SEB pointed it out in the open like WEB did then people will jump the wagon and say he disrespect everyone . What do you reckon SEB meant by BEHIND CLOSED DOORS

How do you think brand Vettel is doing today? And perhaps SEB meant behind closed doors like when he called Webber crazy after Turkey, or even disparaged him over the radio in this race? Or maybe like when Marko criticised Webber before the season had even started?

I reckon what SEB really meant was that he didn't have a good explanation for what he did and wanted to hide behind closed doors where the team could protect him. He then changed tack and tried lying to his fans instead. How is that good PR when his team had already confirmed twice that he'd ignored team orders? Vettel is a hypocrite and a liar and there's no defending that.

Yup today proved that Vettel has no class at all.
Whining Mark was slow when Vettel couldn't catch him, then disobeying team orders as the only way to win.....
Certainly not a classy as Rosberg.
Glad Webbo spoke his mind in a well thought out way. The only one looking bad here is Vettel, who threw his toys out of the pram when things were not going his way.