How is the forum rating system doing?

[Cam]

What speaks even clearer (and no-one has mentioned) is that of the 'Total members 11841' only a very very very small amount are complaining on this thread, that the voting system doesn't work 'for them'. People complain about democracy on here too - well, the majority have clearly spoken. So the ten or so members out of 11841, might just have to deal with it. Maybe the minority are in fact - wrong.

[Pup]

I'm not sure that apathy counts as a show of support, but yes it does seem that few are terribly aggrieved by the whole thing.

[Cam]

Apathy of course counts. The discussion is on 'How is the forum rating system doing?' - only a very small minority actually feel bothered to comment on it. That tells me the system is working good enough to attract almost 12000 members and (only the mods will now exact numbers) actively participate. The majority simply don't feel aggrieved enough to complain. That speaks volumes and it's relevant.

Having a thread to voice to your opinion to improve things (as you see it) is great thing *applauds mods*. That said, throwing your hands in the air in exasperation, when nothing changes - when no-one wants it to change - says more about the member, than the forum.

It ain't broke.

[wesley123]

What speaks even clearer (and no-one has mentioned) is that of the 'Total members 11841' only a very very very small amount are complaining on this thread, that the voting system doesn't work 'for them'. People complain about democracy on here too - well, the majority have clearly spoken. So the ten or so members out of 11841, might just have to deal with it. Maybe the minority are in fact - wrong.

And how many of them are active?
How many of the active people can actually vote?
How many of the who can actually vote do vote?

If you take that in mind you can say that there are (approx.)30 people actually voting, so then there are 10 out of 30 who have an outspoken opinion on this matter.

While the last numbers might not be correct it gives a much better suggestion to the problem.

Great work with numbers there though, because by that it looks like a really small percentage, just like a really small percentage can actually vote. How can someone who isnt active or someone who cannot vote even have an opinion on that? So yeah, they are a group that are pretty much useless and can be excluded.

Then you get a much nicer number, because from like the 100 actually active members(or how many are there?) 10 have a dislike of the system. So that is already 10%, then we still have a few who ignore the topic but might agree, etc. etc. So 12% is a lot, certainly in this 'democracy' thing you call, then 12% is a lot, a lot

[wesley123]

That tells me the system is working good enough to attract almost 12000 members and (only the mods will now exact numbers) actively participate.

12000 active members? Seriously? There are around 12000 registered members, of which there is a crapload which didnt post, a crapload with only 1-2 posts You call that active? Also there are double accounts of users forgetting their password etc. etc. and so on.

I took a look at the member list and sorted it on number of userposts.

From page 171 till 395 these were all users without posts. And also 25 from page 170 had zero posts.
There are 30 users per page, and 224 pages of users without posts.

So we do 30x224=6720+25=6745

So more than half the userbase consists of users without posts(spam accounts or not, they are users). According to your logic, they didnt post here so they must agree with the voting system. Yeah, right. That is just a really nice way of making the numbers look better for you.

so we now do 11842(the amount of registered users)-6745 = 5097

So there are 5097 users with at least 1 post.

So there are 10 of 5097 users that complain, that is 0.196%(god I hope I did the calculations right).

But then, from the 5097 users, there are still a lot of users with 1 post, let's remove those from the total.

on page 170 there are 5 users with 1 post, on page 122 there are 2 of them

So from page 123 till 169 are users with only 1 post.

That is 46x30=1380+7=1387

So there are still 1387 users with only 1 post, I dont call them active.

So that makes 5097-1387=3710 users

So 10 from those 3710 users disagree with the rating system. That is 0.269%


So from the userbase only 3710 are actually "active", 31.33% of the userbase has more than 1 post.

I think my calculations on how unreasonable your statement is are clear enough, I could go further since I dont call a person with lower than 10 posts active.

[Cam]

Wesley, I was trying to point out the bleeding obvious. You can't try to work out who is and who isn't active. For all you know 3000 members are just waiting for the 'right time' to post - you can't exclude member opinion becuase they don't post, or only post once. If they're on the list, they make the count.

Any registered member, regardless if they're active, or just lurkers, could of course, as is there right, in fact, post in this very thread to voice their concerns - they don't. There is nothing more to argue about. Only a very infinite small number have an issue.

As an experiment, for those not happy with how it's panning out for them, like any good method, change your approach. Maybe that might yield different results.

[wesley123]

Indeed, and why do a very small list of people voice their issues?

1. 67% of the registered users arent active
2. of the users that are active very few can actually vote.
3. From the users that can vote very few do vote
4. From the users that do vote a few are against it and a few are behind it.

So yeah, so fair, including users who have done nothing at all on the forum, users who only registered and after that havent done anything.

Easy to voice your opinion about something you dont know exists right?

[Cam]

So that makes 5097-1387=3710 users

So 10 from those 3710 users disagree with the rating system. That is 0.269%

We at least agree its a small amount, Wesley, let's be happy with that. Whether its my round figures, or as you're indicated 0.269% - it's not like we've got an overwhelming majority of members crying out to remove the voting system. Just the same people, over and over.

Easy to voice your opinion about something you dont know exists right?

Wesley, how does that help? This is a forum where discussion occurs. We're trying to understand why something is. You and I have both shown (me with my round figures and you with your well worked out maths) - that, regardless of how anyone tries to slice up the numbers - a very very very small amount have vocalised in one way or another. If you showed me stats where 1000+ members have a problem, cool - I can accept that it might be time for a change, or show me 500 members that are happy or not happy - but there just isn't the numbers there - for whatever reason (apathy, don't know how, scared, forced at gun point not too, etc).

I get some people are not happy and I get that some people want it changed, I do. I struggle on here as well and shake my head at some up and down votes. As a non-F1-employee-nor-physics-degree-holding-member, all I have to offer is an opinion - and usually a 'best guess' one at that. Not really what the 'techies' want to see on here. Rather than try to break it, like Diesel with his code, or forcing the mods to change it with constant negative posts, like others, I just accept it and work within the constrains we have been given. Remember, we have a choice to log on and use this forum or not.

The crazy thing is - if we put as much effort into finding and posting good content, instead of this drivel, we all might get some more upvotes.....if you're into that.

I'm happy to continue with you via PM - but I'm out. There's a GP next week and I'm looking forward to seeing posts on that and hopefully trying to contribute something people want to share.

[Pup]

Why are you guys arguing over how many people vote, when Richard just told us exactly how many just a few pages ago?

The answer, btw, is very few.

And the question being asked in this topic isn't "How many people dislike the forum rating system?" It's "How is the forum rating system doing?" As in, is it doing what the mods wanted it to do? And I think the answer to that is clearly no, and not because so many people are agin it, but because so many people don't care enough about it to participate.

[Absolutelee]

I don't want to further derail the Mercedes thread, but I have to comment on the irony somewhere. I've made 125 posts, and admittedly most of them are questions or snarky comments, but THIS is the first one that has made any reputation changes. Apply that to how the voting system is doing however you choose.

I've deleted 69 posts triggered by a fanciful claim to be able to predict the speed of the W04 at the next race.

Wish I could upvote THIS

I got +1 -1 +1 for this post

EDIT: Spelling

[turbof1]

How about making people more aware of it? You could for instance have a seperate topic where the top voted persons of the week get mentioned, or even a site article with quotes from them? Keith did something similar at f1fanatic (comment of the day), and I must say its a very good concept. Why not apply that?

[flynfrog]

How about making people more aware of it? You could for instance have a seperate topic where the top voted persons of the week get mentioned, or even a site article with quotes from them? Keith did something similar at f1fanatic (comment of the day), and I must say its a very good concept. Why not apply that?

I dont think any of the top upvoted care they are the top up votes. One user gets a downvote though and you would swear the forum killed their dog.

[turbof1]

How about making people more aware of it? You could for instance have a seperate topic where the top voted persons of the week get mentioned, or even a site article with quotes from them? Keith did something similar at f1fanatic (comment of the day), and I must say its a very good concept. Why not apply that?

I dont think any of the top upvoted care they are the top up votes. One user gets a downvote though and you would swear the forum killed their dog.

They don't have to care about it. The whole point is that there input is being used to draw attention to the system. And I don't see why a person would make more of a fuss then he would do now when he gets downvoted. IMO, it could even be that extra push to make decent posts, for people who do care about it.

[Steven]

Better?

[turbof1]

Looks good.