2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

[Dragonfly]

Those tyres are a complete joke and shame for the sport.

[kakogohrena]

Practice 1: :: Sector times :: Lap Chart
Practice 2: :: Sector times :: Lap Chart

[Chuckjr]

Was anyone chewing tires as bad as the Merc under heavy fuel?

The marbles were catastrophic. Tomorrow by 1/2 into the race the off line will look like a gravel driveway.

[CHT]

what was the temperature during FP2?

Oppss, just saw the track info in the previous page.

I am guessing that Vettel must be trying to repeat what he did at Sepang, ie, to quality Q1 and Q2 with the same tire.

[Nomore]

The tyres are the same for everyone since 2007.

I really don't understand why people complain about tyres, if they really think that their favorite driver or car is loosing and the fault is on the tyres...then they have to think that when their favorite driver or car won it was all down to the tyres.

Stop complaining the tyres are the same for everyone, and for us fans 2,3,4,5 pitstop are better than 1 pit stop.

[Cocles]

The tyres are the same for everyone since 2007.

I really don't understand why people complain about tyres, if they really think that their favorite driver or car is loosing and the fault is on the tyres...then they have to think that when their favorite driver or car won it was all down to the tyres.

Stop complaining the tyres are the same for everyone, and for us fans 2,3,4,5 pitstop are better than 1 pit stop.

I believe what a lot are annoyed by is seeing their favorite drivers and teams driving to a delta. We have multiple pitstops, with cars cruising at 85% for a good chunk of the race. The trick would be to get around that trade off. Lots of pitstops... minimal driving to a delta.

[Forza]

The medium tyre showed it could do a 20-lap stint, which is borderline two and three stops. The soft tyres are going quicker than we expected - about 1.5secs quicker than the medium.

[prince]

The tyres are the same for everyone since 2007.

I really don't understand why people complain about tyres, if they really think that their favorite driver or car is loosing and the fault is on the tyres...then they have to think that when their favorite driver or car won it was all down to the tyres.

Stop complaining the tyres are the same for everyone, and for us fans 2,3,4,5 pitstop are better than 1 pit stop.

If it was only degradation/grain, no one would have complained. When you design a car that can go 330kph+, but due to cheesy tyres, you compromise and underdrive the car, that's where the problem is. People watch F1 for flat out racing, not the drama of tyre endurance. That's not racing and whatever factor contributes for lack of racing, it gets blamed. Clear?

[Unc1e_M0nty]

I didn't watch practice but I've just caught up on the live text on the BBC, I noticed this quote in 2nd practice - Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton over team radio: "I've never seen the tyres behave this way." Was it just the softs that were falling apart ?

[Mika1]

I didn't watch practice but I've just caught up on the live text on the BBC, I noticed this quote in 2nd practice - Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton over team radio: "I've never seen the tyres behave this way." Was it just the softs that were falling apart ?

Yes, Pirelli's decision to pick the soft tyres is ridiculous.

[blokkie]

The medium tyre showed it could do a 20-lap stint, which is borderline two and three stops. The soft tyres are going quicker than we expected - about 1.5secs quicker than the medium.

from http://live.autosport.com/commentary.php/id/573

07:32 In short, 27 laps on the medium tyre will eventually produce the same five-second drop-off that the softs will give you in just 10 laps.

I think the Merc's will go with a 2 stopper because ...

07:30 Meanwhile, Hamilton is exhausting the life of what the medium compound can do. He has completed a whopping 27 laps on this set, as he pits.

And that is on FP2 so the track is not yet very well rubberd in.

[Nomore]

The tyres are the same for everyone since 2007.

I really don't understand why people complain about tyres, if they really think that their favorite driver or car is loosing and the fault is on the tyres...then they have to think that when their favorite driver or car won it was all down to the tyres.

Stop complaining the tyres are the same for everyone, and for us fans 2,3,4,5 pitstop are better than 1 pit stop.

If it was only degradation/grain, no one would have complained. When you design a car that can go 330kph+, but due to cheesy tyres, you compromise and underdrive the car, that's where the problem is. People watch F1 for flat out racing, not the dram of tyre endurance. That's not racing and whatever factor contributes for lack of racing, it gets blamed. Clear?

No clear not at all,

When a variable is the same for everyone for me it's fine.
When a variable it's not the same for everyone, then this is a problem.

If someone here can bring facts and proves that this variable is not the same for everyone, then i will complain for this variable.
This is just one more variable to the equation called Winning.

How to deal with this variable ?

This ia a engineering skill, driver skill, team skill. How a team will solve the equation called winning in a less time than the others when we have one more variable, or two or three on n more variables. This is formula 1, that's the way i see it at least.

In my job im asked to do also thinks that i wasn't supposed to do but i have to do them because the company asked me.

In the modern era of Formula 1 it's the same, the time when the driver had only to drive as fast as he can it's over...now a driver WILL have to drive as fast as he can but also to thinks about engine, mechanical parts, tyres, gear, strategy, fuel..etc ALL these are variables that the driver, the team and engineers have to deal with.

[anon16]

The tyres are the same for everyone since 2007.

I really don't understand why people complain about tyres, if they really think that their favorite driver or car is loosing and the fault is on the tyres...then they have to think that when their favorite driver or car won it was all down to the tyres.

Stop complaining the tyres are the same for everyone, and for us fans 2,3,4,5 pitstop are better than 1 pit stop.

If it was only degradation/grain, no one would have complained. When you design a car that can go 330kph+, but due to cheesy tyres, you compromise and underdrive the car, that's where the problem is. People watch F1 for flat out racing, not the dram of tyre endurance. That's not racing and whatever factor contributes for lack of racing, it gets blamed. Clear?

No clear not at all,

When a variable is the same for everyone for me it's fine.
When a variable it's not the same for everyone, then this is a problem.

If someone here can bring facts and proves that this variable is not the same for everyone, then i will complain for this variable.
This is just one more variable to the equation called Winning.

How to deal with this variable ?

This ia a engineering skill, driver skill, team skill. How a team will solve the equation called winning in a less time than the others when we have one more variable, or two or three on n more variables. This is formula 1, that's the way i see it at least.

In my job im asked to do also thinks that i wasn't supposed to do but i have to do them because the company asked me.

In the modern era of Formula 1 it's the same, the time when the driver had only to drive as fast as he can it's over...now a driver WILL have to drive as fast as he can but also to thinks about engine, mechanical parts, tyres, gear, strategy, fuel..etc ALL these are variables that the driver, the team and engineers have to deal with.

I don't think anyone's complaining that the driver has to deal with these variables to a a certain extent as that's just part of the sport, and what makes it so good in some ways. I believe that what people aren't quite so fond of is the degree to which these sensitive tyres are limiting the drivers. People aren't arguing that there should be no tyre conservation at all, but when Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motor sport, it beggars belief that the drivers can't demonstrate their speed by having to consistently drive to a delta time.

[JimClarkFan]

That Ferrari looks a bit alright this weekend doesn't it!!!!

Tyres are a joke, it's silly.

[andrewf1]

The tyres are the same for everyone since 2007.

I really don't understand why people complain about tyres, if they really think that their favorite driver or car is loosing and the fault is on the tyres...then they have to think that when their favorite driver or car won it was all down to the tyres.

Stop complaining the tyres are the same for everyone, and for us fans 2,3,4,5 pitstop are better than 1 pit stop.

If it was only degradation/grain, no one would have complained. When you design a car that can go 330kph+, but due to cheesy tyres, you compromise and underdrive the car, that's where the problem is. People watch F1 for flat out racing, not the dram of tyre endurance. That's not racing and whatever factor contributes for lack of racing, it gets blamed. Clear?

No clear not at all,

When a variable is the same for everyone for me it's fine.
When a variable it's not the same for everyone, then this is a problem.

If someone here can bring facts and proves that this variable is not the same for everyone, then i will complain for this variable.
This is just one more variable to the equation called Winning.

How to deal with this variable ?

This ia a engineering skill, driver skill, team skill. How a team will solve the equation called winning in a less time than the others when we have one more variable, or two or three on n more variables. This is formula 1, that's the way i see it at least.

In my job im asked to do also thinks that i wasn't supposed to do but i have to do them because the company asked me.

In the modern era of Formula 1 it's the same, the time when the driver had only to drive as fast as he can it's over...now a driver WILL have to drive as fast as he can but also to thinks about engine, mechanical parts, tyres, gear, strategy, fuel..etc ALL these are variables that the driver, the team and engineers have to deal with.

It is downgrading the sport, that's what's at stake here and you fail to see that.
Might as well give the teams rectangular wheels and call it 'well it's the same variable for everyone'. The problem with your variable is the emphasis that's put on it, it gets in the way of the development of everything else and artificially slows down/devalues the sport.