Khamsin Virtual Racecar challenge 2013 (CFD model racing)

[wigglez28]

It might be better for 10 but its still worse for 30. Imagine if you were one of the teams out of the ten RicMe? I'm sure you're opinion would change then. Also this would surely make no sense commercially for any of the sponsors having only 10 teams regularly seeing their adverts.

[RicME85]

im going to stop after this post as this is just crazy.

everything astra and I have been talking about is looking at it as maybe this season should of been set up like this/maybe next season have a good look at things and maybe do something different.
neither of us are proposing to radically change things the day before the first race deadline.

35 entrants and 3 races does not make a championship.

If I was one of the teams not registered to take part I would spend the next however long working on a car and looking into 2014 regulations in the hope that I could be a part of the competition, I can tell you I certainly wouldnt be throwing my toys out of the pram at not having a place in the competition, I have a lot more important things going on in my life than this.

Your commercial argument is rubbish. What good is 30 teams seeing the branding over the course of 3 months compared to having 10 teams over say 8-10 months plus the prospect of further interest due to the success of the competition. With less teams and more races you could get swings in dominance from different teams which could draw interest and may even draw interest from potential designers for joining current teams or applying for their own team the following season.

As it stands it just looks like the software available is on able to sustain X amount over a short period rather than few over a much longer period of time with the same resources.

[astracrazy]

i'll say one last thing on this about the sponsor argument.

if for instance you had a 7-10 race championship with 10-15 cars, you maybe could approach a couple of f1 news websites to see if one would write up a report/blog on it each race on there website (good advertisement). That would give the sponsors more coverage than just 35 cars. I highly doubt thye'll be interested with 3 races

its just something i thought of which maybe could of been possible as the competition has real sponsors.

just an idea

[N12ck]

Hi

I have seen there has been a fair bit of discussion about 3 races with X entrants, vs loads of races with less enterants.

Firstly there are reasons for why there is 3.

A 'challenge' implies it is a over a short period of time as opposed to a 'championship', mine and Juliens resources are being pushed quite far even with the Sabalcore help, a 10 or 15 race season would be impossible, I am full time at university and working in race teams, Julien holds down a full time job, so we dont have the time every month to give up 1 whole week to simulating cars, as we are able to do currently on a 3 month basis, we are able to do it for 3 months in a row, however if this was every month, being able to have a job or being able to do a degree would be very difficult to do.

The decision was taken at the beginning for this to be over a few rounds as opposed to several, in the future maybe more rounds can be added with extra support, however currently, 3 is all we can commit to.

The other factor as has been explained is CPU time is limited for this, and with 3 races we will be at maximum CPU time.

For the Tub,

Yes there was a measurement mistake, however since it was handed out when it was discovered it was thought about and decided it was too late to change it completely with cars already being built around this file.

Hope this clears everything up.
Thanks
Nick

[RicME85]

Your line on it being a challenge and not a championship is null and void by the kvrc website im afraid nick, to quote:

What you gain...a fun CHAMPIONSHIP

Just noticed that it is actually 39 teams registered (as far as we know, website lt updated 26th march)

As for workload, have you not read the suggestion I gave about us running one or two of the tests ourselves and then sending data in along with the car for final test(s) and result calculation?
Also, why limit yourself to just the two of you, why not bring others on board to help?

You say that neither of you have the time to run more races and that there isnt enough free CPU time to do the calculations...surely if the number of cars was a lot lower then you would have the time on both fronts? With few teams you could of taken time away from the cloud computing and run a test each between you and Julien every night when you go to bed and your pc is sat doing nothing, thats how I run my personal tests, set it off when i go to bed and then get results when i get up.

Once again, i am not actually trying to pull this apart or bitch and slate the competition, sorry, challenge, i am just trying to look at things another way much in the way of constructive criticism. Im pleased that you and Julien got this off the ground, especially so quickly after the fall out from FS. I believe that everything myself and astra have said has been out of desire to see this become a success that has a future and isnt just a flash in the pan.

[etsmc]

Sorry but i have to voice my opinion.
Accept it for what it is and just get on with it. You sound like a bunch of current generation kids that just don't listen and don't accept what they are being told.
All the ideas, yeah great but listen to what they are telling you, they don't have the personal time to be putting in to it. I can understand this, a full time job is commitment enough let alone having personal time to relax and then people complaining (even when they are not) will probably have nick and julien questioning why they are doing this in their own time.

I think Nick and Julien have done a great job so far with the test race to see how things go and when i have had a question they have been quick to get back to me.

The chances of all the teams actually submitting a car i think will be quite low.
I am looking forward to the opportunity of trying something i have never done before and seeing what i can achieve and challenging my self. if 3 races is all we get then that what we get.

As i said at the beginning, Accept it for what it is and just get on with it.

[astracrazy]

the fact i appreciate what nick etc are doing i'm happy to put this argument to bed. altho i think certain things could make it better and i've expressed that opinion

let just get on with it

[N12ck]

Hi, yes that should have been removed @Richard,

The issue with this suggestion is, there is no guarantees everyone knows how to run this software, or has the time to do so, and no way to check all data is correct and has been done properly, if we had to check every simulation you had ran we may as well do the simulation ourselves.

I understand the constructive criticism, and we are trying our hardest to ensure this works, but currently in 2013 there will be no more races than 3, and maybe a couple of tests at the back end of the year.

Each time we have a race, Julien and I, commit every night for several hours doing the simulations, and checking everything, and doing write-ups, so that is a whole week gone, we also do cross comparisons with other CFD to check the data we are getting. Neither Julien or I can give up 1 whole week every month as it would be impossible to do all other work we have. Which is why we can do 3 in a row but no more due to timings of other projects/ work we are working on. In 2014 however we will try and find a way to have more races, but in 2013, this will not happen.

Thanks
Nick

[RicME85]

the final lines is what we were wanting to hear

in other news...I have a race against time on my hands, my SSD which has my OS install and all my car files has died and I cant seem to get anything off it. looks like I will have to get my car from the test race out again, legalise it and make any modifications I can in the limited time remaining [-o<

[astracrazy]

i've submitted mine already, run out of time to do the mods i wanted and a final cop test - ended up being more guess work. Still nice amount of time to work on my monza car.

will be posting new pictures tonight or 2mo of my submitted car

[wigglez28]

I've sent my car away all legal I think apart from no gearbox or engine as I can't open these folders, just hope there is a way around this so I can compete in the first race.

[RicME85]

Car rolled off the production line =D>
Hard work but we got there.
Not happy with what we have for the first race but considering the position we were in this at 5.30pm when all attempts at recovering the failed hard drive were in vain we just have to be glad that a car is being submitted.
Hopefully by race 2 we will have something resembling the original HR-01

[cdsavage]

Just to confirm: no brake duct winglets allowed, right?

[CottrellGP]

I sent my car, but got this after it

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Is it uploaded or not Nick?

[julien.decharentenay]

Hi,

Thanks for the teams that have submitted their designs. We confirm reception of the designs for the following teams:
- Team: Blindblom F1
- Team: Cottrell Motorsport
- Team: CSR
- Team: Fatality F1 Team
- Team: Hit Reset Racing
- Team: JJR Racing
- Team: LB Racing
- Team: MercuryMotorsport
- Team: STZ-Racing
- Team: Team Furia F-1
- Team: Variante
- Team: WigglesGP

If you have submitted your design, but do not see your team listed above, please contact Nick and Julien urgently.

@CottrellGP: It looks like the file was uploaded (at least I could open it). File size was 43.4MB, is it correct?

Looks like I missed on the discussion. Nick was keen in doing more races, but I pushed to limit the number of races for 2013 to three races for time and resources reasons. I am just back from oversea trip and trying to catch-up on my to-do list and recovering from jetlag. I will review the contents of the discussion in the next few days.