2013 Bahrain GP - Sakhir

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I enjoyed today's race....lots of drama. Bad day for both Ferrari drivers. Great day to be a Lotus fan. Hats off to Paul Diresta too
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Is there any news on what the post race investigation turned out? can't find any news....
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strad wrote:Quite frankly...F1 is about to lose a lifelong fan. Between the tires and DRS and 70% driving,,,I just can't . It's screwed up,,,it's downright embarrassing. I have to be ashamed and unable to promote this as the pinnacle of motor racing.
Now it's 70%? Imagine that. Yes, Webber-Hamilton was even at 65%. Don't let the door hit you, there are plenty of "nostalgia" forums where you can get excited about races you know results of or the ones you've never watched. But it's a small prize for a trip to the past where grass was greener, you were younger, had more hair and enjoyed your life more. F1 wasn't "better" though, your memory and judgement is playing tricks on you.

Even if it's true and there were some golden age it's not coming back. It's also funny how definitions of this classic era vary from person to person. When I read that 1999 was some classic season or that 1996 Monaco was a classic race I only can laugh. [My memory though goes back only to 1995]. Look: Season in which E. Irvine was almost a world champion a classic? Eddie f... Irvine!? On current grid he would have been in the bottom third of drivers based on talent.

Overall it's exactly the opposite, it's not about stopping progress, current F1's problems stem from technological advancements that "stop" racing, this "cannot be unlearned" cliche.

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Phil wrote:Is there any news on what the post race investigation turned out? can't find any news....
Reprimand for Webber.
iotar__ wrote:They and McLaren had mostly similar pace last season and not because of tyres favouring the latter (qualifying DRS advantage included). Explain that please. Funnily enough they were the most dominant on Pirellis in 2011.
Thats not really true is it. RB had the run of 4 races in a row although even Singapore in there relied on a cruising Hamilton dropping out from the lead. I would propose that most people would have the McLaren as the car to be in last season. Lest we forget if we are getting into hypotheticals, had Hamilton had Buttons level of reliability he wouldve won the WDC with ease.

As for 2011, Newey stated after the season that the tyres actually reigned the RB7 in.

You personally seem to refuse to want to accept the RB9 is being restricted by the 2013 tyres. The paddock according to Ted Kravitz wholeheartedly disagrees, and 8 teams are desperate for them not to get their way on the tyres for a reason...

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Jonnycraig wrote:
Phil wrote:Is there any news on what the post race investigation turned out? can't find any news....
Reprimand for Webber.
iotar__ wrote:They and McLaren had mostly similar pace last season and not because of tyres favouring the latter (qualifying DRS advantage included). Explain that please. Funnily enough they were the most dominant on Pirellis in 2011.
Thats not really true is it. RB had the run of 4 races in a row although even Singapore in there relied on a cruising Hamilton dropping out from the lead. I would propose that most people would have the McLaren as the car to be in last season. Lest we forget if we are getting into hypotheticals, had Hamilton had Buttons level of reliability he wouldve won the WDC with ease.

As for 2011, Newey stated after the season that the tyres actually reigned the RB7 in.

You personally seem to refuse to want to accept the RB9 is being restricted by the 2013 tyres. The paddock according to Ted Kravitz wholeheartedly disagrees, and 8 teams are desperate for them not to get their way on the tyres for a reason...
It's more a matter of Red Bull trying to get their way rather than other teams desperate to prevent the tires from changing. It's the same rules for everyone, yet they still find the need to whine after three years of winning. There's no class in that team.

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So did Jenson brake Mid corner? imo Yes clearly
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iotar__ wrote:No, it's a complete, utter and not very technical rubbish based on nothing.
Pirelli have already stated that with the loadings they see on various cars Red Bull would be a good minute ahead of any other team.

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Emerson.F wrote:So did Jenson brake Mid corner? imo Yes clearly
Ahh that commentary reminds me of why I stopped watching the BBC. They are racing its what they do there is no reason to shout Ben Edwards. Stick to Brundle anyday
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I've been able to "get with" this new formula 1, accepting that sometimes the overtaking is driver + assistance on the basis that the technology of formula 1 (aerodynamics and turbulent air) have made overtaking difficult in recent years, so it's only right the technology makes it easier again.

HOWEVER, today's race felt like one of the most artificial races I have seen in quite some time. We had cars literally yo-yoing every few laps because the tyres kept coming and going, or because of the MASSIVE DRS advantage.

The race at the front was non-existent due to Alonso's DRS failure. It did seem a bit silly for him to use it again and for it to fail in exactly the same way. The team literally thumped it back in to position on the first stop, so I don't see how they could have qualified that is "fixed". Still, hindsight is a wonderful thing, he got some points so it was damage limitation.

Raikkonen, and the Lotus team, had another very impressive drive today. He's keeping himself in the championship hunt quite nicely, much like Alonso did last year.

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Emerson.F wrote:So did Jenson brake Mid corner? imo Yes clearly
More likely he "lifted". Blocking the apex is a common defensive technique, it causes your competitor to get on the power later so gives you a bit of breathing room up to the next corner. If you're trying to suggest Button brake tested Perez you're most certainly underestimating the braking power of a formula 1 car.

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No way Button 'brake tested' at that point in such a slow corner. The speed differences and margins are way too fine to be able to do that. More nonsense.

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munudeges wrote:No way Button 'brake tested' at that point in such a slow corner. The speed differences and margins are way too fine to be able to do that. More nonsense.
Agreed, some people clearly haven't been watching ANY kind of motorsport for very long to think that was brake testing.

This was a standard defensive move in every kind of motorsport, when someone is trying to undercut you in a corner you slow them on the apex so they can't get on the throttle before you.

It's clear that there are new fans to the sport who just don't understand the basics of racing!

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munudeges wrote:No way Button 'brake tested' at that point in such a slow corner. The speed differences and margins are way too fine to be able to do that. More nonsense.
I agree. In fact, looks to me that Button was also simply much slower because he took the tighter line into the corner and Perez, coming from the outside didnt account for that.
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Phil wrote:
munudeges wrote:No way Button 'brake tested' at that point in such a slow corner. The speed differences and margins are way too fine to be able to do that. More nonsense.
I agree. In fact, looks to me that Button was also simply much slower because he took the tighter line into the corner and Perez, coming from the outside didnt account for that.
I think your spot on there actually, looking again Perez took the racing line so was always going to be quicker out of the corner. That doesn't help if you can't find a clean way to pass.

It's time to dust this one under the carpet. McLaren really need to be having these problems when their cars are fighting for race wins.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d-SOe-qHc0[/youtube]

Sorry to repost but I didn't want to quote the previous posts in their entirety when I just wanted to make a small observation that Sergio and Button are both clearly racing hard both maid 1 big clear mistake each but aside from that I think it was good competitive racing from both McLarens if anything both should learn to clean it up Jenson shouldn't run Perez out the track when he's clearly lost the racing line and Perez should learn toto be more patient when trying (but failing) to undercut some one in a corner. Sergio should have identified that he had no space to do that. And again Button outright Dirty racing Vettel and Alonso style racing here which I love but, they need to keep within a certain line.
1 no running each other off the track ,2 no contact.

That would make me happy.

And Button put Sergio in a position where he make a mistake in my opinion. It's what veterans do like some have Allready commented its a very normal way of making sure some one doesn't have the speed to beat you into the next corner so you have a slight throttle advantage.

Overall I think Button needs to man up and race. If he's better he will beat Sergio not try to put Witmarsh on the spot on T. To try and suggest Team Orders... When if anything Sergio was faster then Buttton and by that logic he should have yielded to CHECO a lot of laps before maybe sergio would have gotten 5th not 6th.

But I love this McLaren is giving us two drivers allowed to race. Like it should be. Just clean it up boys ;)
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