Mercedes AMG F1 W04

[dren]

The Mercedes was lapping very slow during the race. They were able to control the pace and speed up if they needed. Part of this was likely due to strategy to keep the pack bunched up and protect them from cars trying to pit early and undercut. Part of it was to protect the tires. They -likely- could have gone faster and still pulled off a 1 stopper. With this in mind along with the fact that Monaco is not harsh on tires, we cannot conclude if the W04 has solved its tire issues.

The suspension upgrades on Hamilton's car might help, but I'm guessing it isn't the cure. It probably boils down to overall car design integration rather than one key area.

[beelsebob]

The Mercedes was lapping very slow during the race. They were able to control the pace and speed up if they needed. Part of this was likely due to strategy to keep the pack bunched up and protect them from cars trying to pit early and undercut. Part of it was to protect the tires. They -likely- could have gone faster and still pulled off a 1 stopper. With this in mind along with the fact that Monaco is not harsh on tires, we cannot conclude if the W04 has solved its tire issues.

The suspension upgrades on Hamilton's car might help, but I'm guessing it isn't the cure. It probably boils down to overall car design integration rather than one key area.

No indeed, monaco is the absolute best case for tyres:
Shorter race distance means lower fuel load initially
Good balance between front and rear grip needed
No high speed turns
Shorter overall distance
Very unabrasive track surface
It was pretty much the perfect track for a car that's hard on it's tyres but otherwise quick.

[Huntresa]

The Mercedes was lapping very slow during the race. They were able to control the pace and speed up if they needed. Part of this was likely due to strategy to keep the pack bunched up and protect them from cars trying to pit early and undercut. Part of it was to protect the tires. They -likely- could have gone faster and still pulled off a 1 stopper. With this in mind along with the fact that Monaco is not harsh on tires, we cannot conclude if the W04 has solved its tire issues.

The suspension upgrades on Hamilton's car might help, but I'm guessing it isn't the cure. It probably boils down to overall car design integration rather than one key area.

No indeed, monaco is the absolute best case for tyres:
Shorter race distance means lower fuel load initially
Good balance between front and rear grip needed
No high speed turns
Shorter overall distance
Very unabrasive track surface
It was pretty much the perfect track for a car that's hard on it's tyres but otherwise quick.

Which they showed last year aswell

[mantikos]

The Mercedes was lapping very slow during the race. They were able to control the pace and speed up if they needed. Part of this was likely due to strategy to keep the pack bunched up and protect them from cars trying to pit early and undercut. Part of it was to protect the tires. They -likely- could have gone faster and still pulled off a 1 stopper. With this in mind along with the fact that Monaco is not harsh on tires, we cannot conclude if the W04 has solved its tire issues.

The suspension upgrades on Hamilton's car might help, but I'm guessing it isn't the cure. It probably boils down to overall car design integration rather than one key area.

No indeed, monaco is the absolute best case for tyres:
Shorter race distance means lower fuel load initially
Good balance between front and rear grip needed
No high speed turns
Shorter overall distance
Very unabrasive track surface
It was pretty much the perfect track for a car that's hard on it's tyres but otherwise quick.

Well team radio said ROS had 60% of front and 50% of rear life on the tires he took off in his pit stop...so they seem to have addressed the issue significantly...esp when you compare this to RBR's team radio telling VET that his set of tires were marginal...so Merc has 60% left and RBR has 0% after about the same stint.

[AnthonyG]

Well team radio said ROS had 60% of front and 50% of rear life on the tires he took off in his pit stop...so they seem to have addressed the issue significantly...esp when you compare this to RBR's team radio telling VET that his set of tires were marginal...so Merc has 60% left and RBR has 0% after about the same stint.

That could just as well have been demotivational bluff towards the other teams.

[dren]

Right, it was the perfect track for Mercedes, but we cannot conclude if the W04 upgrades have solved any of the tire issues. I am guessing it is an overal design issue rather than one in general. Either that, or the methodology the team uses to set-up a car is wrong...or...the tire modeling they use is wrong. With the influx of new tallent, surely they would have solved any set-up and or design issues, right? The tire modeling may likely be the culprit.

The W04 was designed to have flexibility in suspension set-ups so they could get to grips with the tires. This hasn't happened yet.

[mantikos]

Well team radio said ROS had 60% of front and 50% of rear life on the tires he took off in his pit stop...so they seem to have addressed the issue significantly...esp when you compare this to RBR's team radio telling VET that his set of tires were marginal...so Merc has 60% left and RBR has 0% after about the same stint.

That could just as well have been demotivational bluff towards the other teams.

Sure could be - but RBR communicated the same to VET as well (about ROS tires) and all teams look at each other's tires in the pit lane...so it couldn't be total BS

[stefan_]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm24_eAy3pc[/youtube]

[SamH123]

Well team radio said ROS had 60% of front and 50% of rear life on the tires he took off in his pit stop...so they seem to have addressed the issue significantly...esp when you compare this to RBR's team radio telling VET that his set of tires were marginal...so Merc has 60% left and RBR has 0% after about the same stint.

That could just as well have been demotivational bluff towards the other teams.

I might be wrong but Rosberg was actually one of the only cars to put on used tires at that point so I think the 60%/50% was about the tires that had just been put on his car

[mantikos]

Well team radio said ROS had 60% of front and 50% of rear life on the tires he took off in his pit stop...so they seem to have addressed the issue significantly...esp when you compare this to RBR's team radio telling VET that his set of tires were marginal...so Merc has 60% left and RBR has 0% after about the same stint.

That could just as well have been demotivational bluff towards the other teams.

I might be wrong but Rosberg was actually one of the only cars to put on used tires at that point so I think the 60%/50% was about the tires that had just been put on his car

Negative, you can read the transcripts for both ROS and VET it clearly implies that the set he took off had 60% rears and 50% front left remaining...which is what RBR communicated to VET...'ROS is not marginal at all on tires, he can push, you need to gap since we are wear limited and can't push since we have to make this set last till the end'


Also, other had scrubbed tires too

[dren]

Sounds like Mercedes is testing at Silverstone today. Anyone have any pics?

[SectorOne]

straight line testing i presume?

[RGV_Rider]

That could just as well have been demotivational bluff towards the other teams.

I might be wrong but Rosberg was actually one of the only cars to put on used tires at that point so I think the 60%/50% was about the tires that had just been put on his car

Negative, you can read the transcripts for both ROS and VET it clearly implies that the set he took off had 60% rears and 50% front left remaining...which is what RBR communicated to VET...'ROS is not marginal at all on tires, he can push, you need to gap since we are wear limited and can't push since we have to make this set last till the end'


Also, other had scrubbed tires too

Perhaps they had different meanings of there per cent's

MB: 100 - new, 0 damage -> change between 20-40% to get sure they wouldn't fail
RBR: 100 - new, 0 changing point witch also means 20-40%

ps. i am new in this amazing forum, and i come from Germany near Stuttgart, and hope you'll understand my English

[Mika1]

Sounds like Mercedes is testing at Silverstone today. Anyone have any pics?

Mercedes Spy™ ‏@MercedesAMGSpy 1h
Mercedes testing at Silverstone: http://s10.postimg.org/3xoz2sbdl/Oude_a ... tlaten.jpg … (today) #F1 #Mercedes

[Morteza]

Sounds like Mercedes is testing at Silverstone today. Anyone have any pics?

Mercedes Spy™ ‏@MercedesAMGSpy 1h
Mercedes testing at Silverstone: http://s10.postimg.org/3xoz2sbdl/Oude_a ... tlaten.jpg … (today) #F1 #Mercedes

That is a W02. Why would they use that car?