2013 Canadian GP - Montreal

[iotar__]

So KR starts 10th and DR 11th.

I've heard that Lotus tried to warn Raikkonen but he said he knew what he was doing. Like in Malaysia.

[Cocles]

Hamilton was 6-7 tenths up then messed up the final chicane. He said so himself.

He wasn't 7 tenths up, he was 2 tenths up.

Vettel was also green in S1 and purple in S2 in his final run but ended up 6 tenths slower than his pole lap. With the track conditions in S3, Lewis missing the final chicane was pretty much irrelevant...

Were you watching the American broadcast? Steve Matchett is a hawk with timing & scoring, and he seemed to believe that Hamilton would have had pole had it not been for botching the final chicane. --Not to take away anything from Vettel.

[scotty86]

Shoulda woulda coulda - ya gotta do the lap, and Hamilton didn't, nor did anyone else except for Vettel.

Still searching for info on whether anyone in the race win picture has new inters left or not but to no avail so far. But looking at the live timing source i have and the number of times drivers were in and out of the pits, i'd be very surprised if anyone at the very front had new inters left.

Latest weather forecasts i see give between 30 and 60% chances of rain. Either way it seems like it is currently raining there, so the track is gonna be green... is anyone else thinking this is setting up a lot like Melbourne did? If the outcome were the same, i wouldn't complain

[strad]

I take it no one else is upset about them forcing the removal of that 3" kerb?

[Cocles]

Shoulda woulda coulda - ya gotta do the lap, and Hamilton didn't, nor did anyone else except for Vettel.

There's two conversations going on here. Yes, I agree 100% with what you just wrote about the drivers; what we're really talking about though are the cars. Namely, is the W04 still faster than the RB9 in qualifying? It looks like it still is.

[Racer X]

Canada is a lottery and some one like Button who didnt even make Q3 could win it. So at this point lets just keep that in mind. Its sad rain played a key roll but... Rain has placed Bottas in the front rows and I for one as thrilled I hope he wins. My point is take the Quali results littletly.

[Chuckjr]

Hamilton was 6-7 tenths up then messed up the final chicane. He said so himself.

He wasn't 7 tenths up, he was 2 tenths up.

Vettel was also green in S1 and purple in S2 in his final run but ended up 6 tenths slower than his pole lap. With the track conditions in S3, Lewis missing the final chicane was pretty much irrelevant...

Were you watching the American broadcast? Steve Matchett is a hawk with timing & scoring, and he seemed to believe that Hamilton would have had pole had it not been for botching the final chicane. --Not to take away anything from Vettel.

All due respect Cocles, but in my view you actually are taking away from Vet with these comments.

I'm, I think, like many on this forum who would prefer to see Vettle not win another championship, but the guy is performing, and quite frankly, seems to have a similar skill set to previous multiple world champs. (Ill prolly take crap for that but its just my opinion). IMO, Its not just the car or one could claim Schumacher was just a fluke - but no long experienced f1 fan would believe that. I used to think it was just the car for Vet, but I am having a harder time convincing myself of that as time goes on because he just keeps performing consistently.

Furthermore, Steve the hawk Matchett hadn't noticed that the drivers ahead of vet and ham were all extremely slower in the last sector in that final few min, so I question his timing prowess in this case. Usually he is sharper but not in this case.

As for Hamilton's comments...talking like that is no different than Mike Andretti claiming he should have won the Indy 500 three or four times if it was only the Indy 400 (he has said this exactly in interviews). Well Mike, it's not the 400 its the friggin 500 and if you can't finish 500 miles then you don't win. Period. End of story. This is racing, not grenades or horseshoes. If you can't finish the lap perfect and clean then that's your own fault, shut up, stop making excuses, and let your driving talk.

Finally, who cares if the Merc is faster in quali? They don't give out points for quali! Sure fun to watch them trying for pole, but come race day Merc is a literal moving speed bump. That said, I hope they can improve soon as both their drivers are exceptional, and certainly deserve a better race car, but this shoulda-coulda-woulda bs is just that...BS.

Re: 2013 Canadian GP - Montreal
by strad » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:53 pm

I take it no one else is upset about them forcing the removal of that 3" kerb?

I also am none to happy they removed the curbs. If you can't hold the line it should not be easy to just leave the line and rejoin. I'm actually tired of seeing racing lines ignored.

May the best driver and car combo win tomorrow.

[Robbobnob]

Shoulda woulda coulda - ya gotta do the lap, and Hamilton didn't, nor did anyone else except for Vettel.

Still searching for info on whether anyone in the race win picture has new inters left or not but to no avail so far. But looking at the live timing source i have and the number of times drivers were in and out of the pits, i'd be very surprised if anyone at the very front had new inters left.

Latest weather forecasts i see give between 30 and 60% chances of rain. Either way it seems like it is currently raining there, so the track is gonna be green... is anyone else thinking this is setting up a lot like Melbourne did? If the outcome were the same, i wouldn't complain

With the rain on Saturday it sure reminded me of Meblourne... Sitting in the Grandstands there when the rain came through was miserable, only to have them call it off after an hours waiting.

Though I'd be surprised to see Vettel fall back into the field here in Canada alike he did in Melbourne. I think Red Bull have taken a much more conservative approach to setting their car up in regards to maximising the performance out of their tyres for the race. Melbourne being the start of the year they were slightly too aggressive.

That being said, I expect Fernando and Raikonnen to make there way forward over the first 2 stops, and the Mercedes to drop back.
Unless it is a really wet race and the full wet's are required, I cant imagine Bottas will still be in the points, but crazier things have happened.

[stefan_]

[strad]

I also am none to happy they removed the curbs. If you can't hold the line it should not be easy to just leave the line and rejoin. I'm actually tired of seeing racing lines ignored.

Cool...Someone that agrees with me.

[dave34m]

I take it no one else is upset about them forcing the removal of that 3" kerb?

Which kerbs have been removed

[Gridlock]

It wouldn't surprise me to see the bright orange kerbs removed, they damaged the cars which may be fair enough but they're also launching cars back onto the racetrack with their nose in the air. I was surprised they were right on the edge of the track as soon as I saw them in FP1, doesn't strike me as something CW would stand for.

[Cocles]

Finally, who cares if the Merc is faster in quali? They don't give out points for quali!

At its core, this is a tech forum. We care if the W04 is still faster in quali, because we're trying to gauge the development race and quali is when we get to see the machines driven flat out, as opposed to the different elements we learn from the actual race.

[AnthonyG]

I don't think it's the first time drivers don't line up in one line at the pits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctd-hlY6K2M

(btw this video shows that F1 really needs a rethink, qualifying never was a great as the "fuel burning"-years)

[mikeerfol]

I don't think it's the first time drivers don't line up in one line at the pits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctd-hlY6K2M

(btw this video shows that F1 really needs a rethink, qualifying never was a great as the "fuel burning"-years)

The rule was introduced in 2011 I think.