Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

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We don't refer to SFIF1T, everyone knows who we mean by FI. Same for RB (missing R) and TR (missing S).

The team from Brackley are known in F1 circles as Mercedes. So I'm puzzled why references to MGP (ie Mercedes GP) should be so objectionable.

If we have to refer to MAMGPF1T, then we'll also have to refer to VMMF1, SFIF1T, and LF1T competing in the FIAF1WCC. Its nonsense.

As far as this forum is concerned MGP = Merc. Moderators decision is final.

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Daimler or Mercedes,it should be most alarming to any fan of


Daimler to hear a trial against Bernie has been opened.this is basically the death of all their involvement in formula 1 as dealing with criminals or being associated with corruption is definetely a NOGO for Daimler ,Board Member Christine hohman a former memeber of germans supreme court has made very clear statements about contract clauses with regard to corruption and integrity ....thoings start to go south quickly now and it does not really matter if Bernie ends in jail. :wtf:
This could have an impact not only on Mercedes AMG Formula 1 but also on AMG HPP and affecting williams GP as well..

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marcush. wrote:Daimler or Mercedes,it should be most alarming to any fan of


Daimler to hear a trial against Bernie has been opened.this is basically the death of all their involvement in formula 1 as dealing with criminals or being associated with corruption is definetely a NOGO for Daimler ,Board Member Christine hohman a former memeber of germans supreme court has made very clear statements about contract clauses with regard to corruption and integrity ....thoings start to go south quickly now and it does not really matter if Bernie ends in jail. :wtf:
This could have an impact not only on Mercedes AMG Formula 1 but also on AMG HPP and affecting williams GP as well..
Eh? The situation you describe spells the end of Bernie's involvement in F1, not Daimler's.

Put simply --CVC will ditch Bernie before they ditch Daimler.

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Cocles wrote:
marcush. wrote:Daimler or Mercedes,it should be most alarming to any fan of


Daimler to hear a trial against Bernie has been opened.this is basically the death of all their involvement in formula 1 as dealing with criminals or being associated with corruption is definetely a NOGO for Daimler ,Board Member Christine hohman a former memeber of germans supreme court has made very clear statements about contract clauses with regard to corruption and integrity ....thoings start to go south quickly now and it does not really matter if Bernie ends in jail. :wtf:
This could have an impact not only on Mercedes AMG Formula 1 but also on AMG HPP and affecting williams GP as well..
Eh? The situation you describe spells the end of Bernie's involvement in F1, not Daimler's.

Put simply --CVC will ditch Bernie before they ditch Daimler.
It's Bernie that's being prosecuted, not Formula One Management (FOM). I can't see how that would cause Mercedes to leave the sport. Cocles is right, CVC will remove Bernie from day-to-day management if the situation warrants his departure.

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If Bernie was replaceable he would be long gone.
He has no intentions to leave and he is one old stubborn fart as well...this will affect Daimlers involvement ,no question .
why on earth would Daimler take MrWolff and MrLauda on board as shareholders if not for an easy way out when in need?

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Why have Lauda and Wolff?

Wolff is Mercedes Motorsport boss. He is also fairly wealthy and knows people within Motorsport circles.

Lauda too, has some wealth. But The reason Lauda is there is the same reason marko is at red bull.
A political motor mouth. I'm not overly impressed by his presence, but he did cross swords nicely with marko this year over the test debacle.

Mercedes will find a way to overcome the issue of ecclestone. Maybe they are biding there time waiting for judgement.
If Bernie is found guilty, I don't see him staying in f1. Result being Mercedes would stay.
If innocent, Mercedes would not need to pull out.

There are many ways to skin this cat, withdrawal in light of Mercedes excellent progress this year would be an absolute last resort.
JET set

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FoxHound wrote:Why have Lauda and Wolff?

Wolff is Mercedes Motorsport boss. He is also fairly wealthy and knows people within Motorsport circles.

Lauda too, has some wealth. But The reason Lauda is there is the same reason marko is at red bull.
A political motor mouth. I'm not overly impressed by his presence, but he did cross swords nicely with marko this year over the test debacle.

Mercedes will find a way to overcome the issue of ecclestone. Maybe they are biding there time waiting for judgement.
If Bernie is found guilty, I don't see him staying in f1. Result being Mercedes would stay.
If innocent, Mercedes would not need to pull out.

There are many ways to skin this cat, withdrawal in light of Mercedes excellent progress this year would be an absolute last resort.

I don´t think it´s that easy .Just look at Laudas cap and the logo stitched on it -remarkably it is a former owner of shares of Mercedes AMGF1 or MGP the arrival of Lauda coincidends with their severing from the team but you find their name on his cap ..strange .

Wolff is shareholder with AMGs DTM venture -HWA as i understand but is he involved in AMG proper?

The true issue is Bernies status is already damaged ,there is no way he will be receiving full rehab so Daimler has to severe all ties with his Person and potentially his employers as well if they don´t chose to be very clear and uncompromising.
Formula 1 is not that important to Daimler ,they can do without.
leaving on the way up is a lot better than leaving when you have fallen flat on your face moments before..so I would not bet my money on them being safe.
I have to add it is NOT what I want ,it is what i fear will be happening aand picking up momentum over the next days and weeks-especially considering it´s summer time and nothing really importánt to make the news is around ...

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marcush. wrote:If Bernie was replaceable he would be long gone.
Why? You say this as an emphatic fact, but I see no evidence or reason for this up until the recent indictment.
why on earth would Daimler take MrWolff and MrLauda on board as shareholders if not for an easy way out when in need?
Because MrLauda would secure them a seat on the FOM board, which he did, and MrWolff was the best available replacement for MrHaug for a multitude of reasons. Marcush, I think you're succumbing to confirmation bias. There are multitudes of reasons to bring these guys on, but you're only cherry picking the ones that suit your theory, while pretending the others don't exist.

I agree with you that we'll see some saber rattling from Daimler once Bernie's charges fully go through, but this will ultimately result in Bernie's removal, not Daimler's. So, what if Bernie is stubborn? He's still accountable for his actions. Really consider it...

"Hi, I'm CVC and I have to decide between a man who's become a liability and could drop dead from old age at any moment or the oldest, and one of the largest automobile manufacturers in the world who could easily remain my partner for decades to come."

Is there really any debate here?

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i think it is the wrong place to have this discussion even though i think there is a direct relation .

Bernie is very clever.
He of course "placed " lauda with Daimler -he did not talk to ross anymore and somehow Lauda ,a Friend of Bernie ! was introduced to help ...
who would even question why Bernie did all this but not for his frantic work to save his formula 1 .If it helps to buy the Nurburgring ,so he will -
Bernies contracts are very very elaborate and all his activities create a net of dependencies -all for stability of his creation the product Formula 1 .
Would he give up on it? I don´t see that happening as the product would suffer immensely ,maybe it could spell the end of formula 1 as we know it and put formula 1 back into stoneage -like it was in the pre Bernie years....mind you there is no racing series in the 4 wheel world of comparable importance left ...in the old days it was a lot more evened out and endurance racing,sportscar racing,Indy etc had more value in relation to Formula 1 .this is mainly Bernies achievement and the teams are not prepared to let that go ...Bernie may be dubious but he is stability .and Mercedes Daimler is the last works effort in the sport -apart from Ferrari ,but look how MrE.is doing everything to please them...

but maybe I´m seeing things here and we will soon forget about Bernard Ecclestone and have some young Wallstreet guru replacing him and formula 1 will prosper even more .
I´m sure there is some activity immanent but will it be Bernie leaving? it´s a bit like Ferrari leaving formula 1 ....

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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In an Interview with "Die Welt" Ross Brawn talks about Paddy Lowe's role and current challenges at Mercedes. According to Brawn, he will work for at least the next 6 months alongside Lowe, but sooner or later Lowe will take on more responsibilities whilst Brawn's Role will change.

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this weeks announcement ....mercedes beg ross brawn to stay on another year as team principal
to the optimist a glass is half full ; to the pessimist a glass is half empty ; to the F1 engineer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be

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So, tyre-issues solved with the new tyres?

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"ATTAAAACK!!!"
If consistently being 7/10ths faster than you is a "mind game", then yes Jenson, Lewis was playing "games" with you.

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Helios wrote:So, tyre-issues solved with the new tyres?
Maybe. They shouldn't begin to feel safe though: it could always happen that on a circuit that might look suited for them, their issues come up again. It is a race-by-race process.

That said, the way they handled the situation, going into the weekend without knowing anything about the interaction of the tyres with their car, having a bad first and second practice, then rebounding in qualy and being on top of the tyres in the race, that is an enormous effort.
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