2013 Hungarian GP - Hungaroring

[lebesset]

the thing that amazes me here is that anyone should say that mercedes have the best qually car

surely it depends on the characteristics of the track ...eg the RBR traction out of slow corners making it best at one type of track , the mercedes higher top speed making it better at another ? and so on and so forth

being pedantic ,I doubt that the perfect lap ever happens , and hungary is a good example of that ; you can't do your best possible time in each sector on the same lap ...if you do it in sector 1 then the tyres will start to give up in sector 3 ; so a driver will always feel he left something behind ...if you look at hamilton's lap you will see understeer on the last 2 corners , no doubt some other drivers had slower 1st sectors and better tyres in sector 3

many years ago stirling moss beat the 190bhp ferrari's in his 150bhp lotus at the old nurburgring ; taffy trips said afterwords that with his ferrari he got maybe 8-10 corners correct out of the 72 , but moss got every corner right , every lap ; not to be taken literally methinks

the other thing that strikes me here is the comments relating hitting every apex to the perfect lap ; I am sure we could all hit every apex ...if we drove slowly enough

[rifrafs2kees]

So apexes aren't everything and speed isn't either...It's the sum of both that matter. For humans, maximizing one ends up hurting the other

Probably Hamilton has something to say this " “Fernando, for me, is more accurate. He hits all the apexes [the perfect racing line through a corner]. Sebastian misses four apexes on a single lap and still goes quickest. He goes off and he still goes quickest. And I think ‘Holy crap, I couldn’t do that lap even if I was on the limit’. His car is just that far ahead of everyone else’s". Which opposes your point some what. Whom should i believe. I will go with Lewis as he may know a bit more than us.
So if he thinks Vettel has a car which is much quicker than rest even he misses Apexes and put it pole. He must also agree the Car he has now also was far ahead of the rest.
And im not taking anything from Lewis Skills and his pole lap. But its not Exceptional lap. Its a Good lap on a Very good Car.

Here in comes context. Moreover, you have to weigh hamilton's words against some emotional backdrop. If one car has a clear advantage, then how you drive matters less. If you give me a boxter and you drive a beetle, our driving styles wouldn't matter and you should know that. Hamilton was saying something similar to this. Whether vettel has had or has a car advantage is another debate. I believe he has had a car advantage to varying degrees. Now answer me this....how come vettel's laps are usually faster than webber's even when he runs wide and webber doesn't? and this happens often. Even hamilton run wide several times and still beat button to pole, who is the epitome of hitting apexes. What I'm talking about is science. Forget the mystic, adoration or affinity for certain drivers and so on. It is simply impossible to be on the limit all the while placing the car exactly where it should be. Sure you may get lucky sometimes..that's about it.

the other thing that strikes me here is the comments relating hitting every apex to the perfect lap ; I am sure we could all hit every apex ...if we drove slowly enough

Very succint

[iotar__]

All the drama about another fake and meaningless Merc pole. "Best qualifying car". There's no such thing as "qualifying car".

No, but there is such a thing as, "Currently 2nd place in the Constructor's Championship." Yes, you're the guy trying to convince everybody that the car currently leading everyone save Red Bull in the Constructor's championship is somehow invalid for pole position.

Where did I say that? Hint: nowhere. You made up a claim I didn't make and started arguing with it. It's rudeness of the highest order. So they are 2nd in CC - good for them but how is that relevant to today's race and meaninglessness of their poles in Hungary and some other races?

Going back to the race, some interesting claims by Pirelli:
http://www.pirelli.com/corporate/en/pre ... ualifying/

"Either two or three stops are possible for the 70-lap race tomorrow. Starting on the medium is actually just as fast as starting on the softs.
For a two-stop strategy, the following could work: start on the soft tyre, change to the medium on lap 14, change to the medium again on lap 42.
An alternative three-stopper is to start on the soft tyre, change to the soft again on lap 13, change to medium on lap 26, and finally medium again on lap 48.
For those starting on the medium, the best option is: start on medium, change to medium again on lap 28, change to soft on lap 56."

Mediums as fast as softs? Is that what Ferrari thought in Germany?
14 laps on softs? OK.

[tim|away]

Hitting the apex of every corner and putting down the fastest lap are two separate things. Don't confuse correlation with causation. Drivers might choose (read: intentionally rather than accidentally) to take an unconventional line for various reasons: more grip slightly off the racing line, better positioning of the car for accelerating out of the corner or braking into the corner, shortening the corner radius, better positioning of the car in the following corner, reducing drawbacks of the car by taking a different line or exploiting advantages of the car or driving style by taking a less common line and the list goes on. Having said that, eye-balling from a TV stream whether or not someone hits the apex does not provide any conclusive evidence about the actual gain/loss through that corner.

[Steven]

Again, join at http://www.f1technical.net/live/ to chat and follow what's going in this race. See you there!

[Traction]

Fantastic defending by Seb on both sides of the track up to the first corner!!

[JimClarkFan]

That was dumb by Mercedes

Edit - Hamilton got in front quickly, good job

[Emerson.F]

Vettel in a sandwich =D>

[Joie de vivre]

ok from the start: rosberg is a giant pussy, could easily block vettel in 1st corner ... also grosjean is an idiot, releasing all the kers after the 1st corner? save the bloody kers for the drs zone on the starting lane, cheesus

haha in your face grosjean, it takes some balls to be the greatest.

also big thanks to button for holding up vettel and enabling alonso to join the battle

webber, gtfi the pits

[JimClarkFan]

Grosjean...seriously

[Godius]

Why did Jenson turned in while Romain was already ahead of him? I hope that Button doesn't get a DT.

[JimClarkFan]

Hamilton is making my heart go crazy lol

Why did Jenson turned in while Romain was already ahead of him? I hope that Button doesn't get a DT.

OK

[WhiteBlue]

Terrible race for Vettel. He could not pass Button and lost more than 10 seconds the first time behind him. And now he is again behind Button.

[WhiteBlue]

Drive through for Grosjean. He has the situational awareness of a dead raccoon.

[WhiteBlue]

The tyres are holding up remarkably well on Hamilton's Merc.