2013 Hungarian GP - Hungaroring

[turbof1]

Lots of difference between DNFing a race where you went good or Extending your Championship lead when going for another championship. I would be quite happy if I took another step to another title even though I did not win the race.

If I am correct, he even wasn't entirely happy in Japan that same year (at the moment; afterwards of course he was happy), when Button won the race. That same race sealed his second world title.

I don't think I would be happy either in his case. It would be very rational to be happy, and I shouild be happy, but that's not how a race driver is. It's all about expectations and by how much you can forfill them. Vettel generally always has very high expectations, except when it is clear from the beginning his car isn't going to fighting on top.

[Jonnycraig]

Lots of difference between DNFing a race where you went good or Extending your Championship lead when going for another championship. I would be quite happy if I took another step to another title even though I did not win the race.

If I am correct, he even wasn't entirely happy in Japan that same year (at the moment; afterwards of course he was happy), when Button won the race. That same race sealed his second world title.

I don't think I would be happy either in his case. It would be very rational to be happy, and I shouild be happy, but that's not how a race driver is. It's all about expectations and by how much you can forfill them. Vettel generally always has very high expectations, except when it is clear from the beginning his car isn't going to fighting on top.

He said after that race he was delighted to win the title but would've preferred to win the race as he could've rather than cruise to third as asked by the team.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Vettel accepts defeat in a very sporting manner. Unlike some others when they have a bad race..

Coming third is a bad race?

[NathanOlder]

Vettel accepts defeat in a very sporting manner. Unlike some others when they have a bad race..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ozdcee7l7k

He extended his championship lead so it's a good reason to be happy, even when he didnt win the race

Championship "gap". Hamilton took 7 points of Vettel´s championship lead.

Was it not 10 points?

[lebesset]

Massa colided in to Rosberg and they did not investigate. So double standards!?

That was on Rosberg though.
There was replay from a higher perspective and it was clear.

Agreed, but I was referring more on to no investigation. It was an incident...
Really unhappy with FIAs incosistency.

quite consistant ; FIA policy is to only penalise egregious offences at the start due the congestion ...there are always going to be incidents

[lebesset]

RG's pass was clean and very well executed. I do not at all understand why he was penalized as drivers put four wheels over all the time. Whatever.

Because it's Grosjean... If any other driver would have made exactly the same move, they would've gotten away with it. This was 100% pure racing and it's downright embarrassing for F1 and racing in general that a pass like this is being penalised.

He tried to overtake on a very difficult corner, he left space throughout the entire action, he was still with 2 wheels over the curbstones and he didn't make contact. What the f-ck does he have to do?! Are we still racing these days or what?! F1 is becoming a very very sad sport in terms of racing.

didn't you look at the pictures??? massa took his line , grosjean got past by driving completely off the track ; like vettel did last year and got a 20 second penalty ...the rules are 100 % clear , tough maybe , but the same for all

[theformula]

Can anyone who has a membership with autosport.com take a look at the article titled "Hamilton's mini-miracle" by mark hughes and tell us what he explained? Because mark hughes' articles are pretty informative and may shed some new light that hasn't been picked up by people like us

[turbof1]

Can anyone who has a membership with autosport.com take a look at the article titled "Hamilton's mini-miracle" by mark hughes and tell us what he explained? Because mark hughes' articles are pretty informative and may shed some new light that hasn't been picked up by people like us

Nothing really we didn't know. Some details that were nice: Even with DRS, the red bull was slower then the mercedes. Both having the same speed at the start/finish line, and the eventual top speed at the end of the straight of the mercedes would be 6 miles/h higher. It would have been difficult for Vettel to get past Hamilton even when Button wasn't a factor.

Also a nice analysis of the lap times around the second pit stops. Vettel didn't had enough life left in his tyres to leapfrog Hamilton. Before Vettel pitted, he was only half a second faster then Button. The in lap made by Vettel was a full second slower then the one made by Hamilton (so at the time Vettel made his last lap, Hamilton would have been around 2s faster, passing Button at the beginning of that lap).

Finally, he mentioned the less grippy sidewalls played a big factor in the performance of Mercedes.

[theformula]

Can anyone who has a membership with autosport.com take a look at the article titled "Hamilton's mini-miracle" by mark hughes and tell us what he explained? Because mark hughes' articles are pretty informative and may shed some new light that hasn't been picked up by people like us

Nothing really we didn't know. Some details that were nice: Even with DRS, the red bull was slower then the mercedes. Both having the same speed at the start/finish line, and the eventual top speed at the end of the straight of the mercedes would be 6 miles/h higher. It would have been difficult for Vettel to get past Hamilton even when Button wasn't a factor.

Also a nice analysis of the lap times around the second pit stops. Vettel didn't had enough life left in his tyres to leapfrog Hamilton. Before Vettel pitted, he was only half a second faster then Button. The in lap made by Vettel was a full second slower then the one made by Hamilton (so at the time Vettel made his last lap, Hamilton would have been around 2s faster, passing Button at the beginning of that lap).

Finally, he mentioned the less grippy sidewalls played a big factor in the performance of Mercedes.

Ahh thanks! any possibility you could copy and paste these parts of the article onto here?!

[turbof1]

I'm no fan of ripping off paid articles. Not that I am greedy; it is just that as an academic I value copyright very highly, especially articles of which autosport lives on. Essentially I told you the content like it stands there in the article, but then in my own words.

If you really want to have assurance, PM me and I could send a few short quotes .

[beelsebob]

I'm no fan of ripping off paid articles. Not that I am greedy; it is just that as an academic I value copyright very highly

Heh, as an academic, copyright was the anathema of what I did. As an academic, your goal is to find new information for the betterment of the world. What copyright does is makes sure that all the journals and conference proceedings' are impossible to get hold of without paying, and hence drain your university's funds by making them pay thousands to commercial organizations (notably, not to the researchers, or to the universities that actually did the work).

[Ray]

If Grosjean didn't want to be treated so harshly he shouldn't have made a habit of ramming or otherwise making unavoidable contact with other cars so often and early in his career. He's STILL unable to stop making rookie mistakes. Formula 1 is no place to learn how to not hit other people on a consistent basis and he deserves the penalties he's given. The simple solution to not being treated harshly is to give the stewards and the FIA no reason to penalize him. Until that happens there's absolutely zero reason to be upset with the decision levied against him, he's deserved every single one handed to him. Don't hit people or break the rules, you can't be punished.

[turbof1]

Yeah well, during my first academic student year, they hammered it in you. If you made a paper and if so much as 2 successing words were taken over, it would have been looked at as fraud. We had 2 persons (idiots) who ignored that and just ripped a wikipedia article. Dunno exactly what happened to them, but they weren't at the faculty anymore the next year.

I know that even in the academic world ripping off someone else's work is nothing out of the ordinary. Still it isn't something I want to be part of. It just isn't right.

Back on the subject:
for the once who love statistics like me:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... fa7uKwzCSo

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... fa7j6wzCSo

[myurr]

If Grosjean didn't want to be treated so harshly he shouldn't have made a habit of ramming or otherwise making unavoidable contact with other cars so often and early in his career. He's STILL unable to stop making rookie mistakes. Formula 1 is no place to learn how to not hit other people on a consistent basis and he deserves the penalties he's given. The simple solution to not being treated harshly is to give the stewards and the FIA no reason to penalize him. Until that happens there's absolutely zero reason to be upset with the decision levied against him, he's deserved every single one handed to him. Don't hit people or break the rules, you can't be punished.

That is a bullshit way of policing the sport. The stewards should be impartial and should judge each incident on its individual merit and not judge based on preconceived bias.

[beelsebob]

If Grosjean didn't want to be treated so harshly he shouldn't have made a habit of ramming or otherwise making unavoidable contact with other cars so often and early in his career. He's STILL unable to stop making rookie mistakes. Formula 1 is no place to learn how to not hit other people on a consistent basis and he deserves the penalties he's given. The simple solution to not being treated harshly is to give the stewards and the FIA no reason to penalize him. Until that happens there's absolutely zero reason to be upset with the decision levied against him, he's deserved every single one handed to him. Don't hit people or break the rules, you can't be punished.

That is a bullshit way of policing the sport. The stewards should be impartial and should judge each incident on its individual merit and not judge based on preconceived bias.

Yep, I have to say, grosjean seems to be treated the same way now as Hamilton was in 2010 – have yourself a few dodgy incidents, suddenly the stewards will try to pin everything on you, no matter where the blame, and no matter what the seriousness.