Ferrari F138

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Hard work gets you nowhere in Formula 1. You have to be doing the right things, and Ferrari evidently aren't.

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This is the best image I've been able to find of the new/er rear brake ducts since they've been introduced a few GP's ago. Very interesting the triangular shape/diagonal element at the top, quite different to other cars. Sure wish we had a view from overhead and a view up close from the front. Still, lots of detail in this image. Cheers.


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The FW of Fernando after the 1st lap accident

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:The FW of Fernando after the 1st lap accident

http://formula1.com/wi/enlarge/sutton/2 ... 7oc105.jpg
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Is it so seriously damaged to anticipate the first stop?
This is Webber's (but in Monza, so, not important like here...)
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emmepi27 wrote: Is it so seriously damaged to anticipate the first stop?
Yes, it was. Fernando's said via radio that he had too much understeer with the damaged FW.

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Don't forget that understeer costs you odles of time in India, where there is the mammoth T10/11 and the many fast chicanes. Monza doesn't really need much front downforce.
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:The leading edge of this beam wing on the F138 is much thicker than anything they've used thus far this year. Can't be for 2014 because there are no more beam wings. The contour of the rest of the wing is similar to other iterations used this season but the leading edge is huge in comparison to other versions.

http://formula1.com/wi/enlarge/sutton/2 ... ind759.jpg
While the beam wing does appear to have a thicker leading edge than other teams, I don't think it is as thick ad you make it out to be. This is because it seems to have a "spoon" wing shape. The relative characteristics of these types of wings are high downforce at comparatively low speeds, very high drag co-efficients and smooth predictable stall characteristics. The wing stalls gradually loosing lift rather than loosing lift (downforce) over a large portion immediately.

This indicated that Ferrari are trying to get high downforce at low speeds while making the rear end predictable with the benign stall characteristics of the wing

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A few tech shots from India that I didn't see posted.

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Different spec FW's
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Was looking at flo patterns from earlier races, and they look the same

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Wish this was closer in so we could see the flow in the footplate area
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Well well, what do we have here.

Abu Dhabi 2013 - Tursday (31.10.2013)

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stefan_ wrote:Well well, what do we have here.
Glad to see development in that zone, the purpose is fairly obvious, let's see the outcome.

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emmepi27 wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:The FW of Fernando after the 1st lap accident

http://formula1.com/wi/enlarge/sutton/2 ... 7oc105.jpg
via Sutton
Is it so seriously damaged to anticipate the first stop?
This is Webber's (but in Monza, so, not important like here...)
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Mar ... 716927.jpg
On the F138 the damaged part is more structural than on the RB. In the photo of the F138 the last flap is "flattened"

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:
stefan_ wrote:Well well, what do we have here.
Glad to see development in that zone, the purpose is fairly obvious, let's see the outcome.
Ahh, what do we see here that needs to be extra mentioned? :) :oops:

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Abu Dhabi 2013 - Thursday (31.10.2013)

The new flow conditioners on the top of the sidepod are on Alonso's car
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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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They have 2 different rear wing to try (not new):
first one (Alo): http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Fer ... 732468.jpg
second one (Mas): http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Fer ... 732469.jpg

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stefan_ wrote: The new flow conditioners on the top of the sidepod are on Alonso's car
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Took them a very long time to get at it. They tried it once before, hopefully they now actually run it.
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Different end plate compared to previously
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