Schumacher ski accident, coma and recovery

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shamyakovic wrote:Today I have a positive feeling to this, I think he is gonna pull through this :)
I have never been a schumi fan , but I'm holding my breath hoping he makes a full recovery , it is hard to believe that there is anybody who doesn't feel the same ;

natasha richardson [ liam neeson's actress wife ] had a similar accident but at low speed during a beginners skiing lesson without helmet ; felt fine to begin with , refused medical attention and it was 7 hours before she was properly treated , too late to save her ; ~I am encouraged by the fact that schumi got expert attention so quickly , seems to make a huge difference in these cases
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Latest Update-Looks like Schumi had another surgery, this time on the left side of the brain. I believe the first one was on the right side?
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/12/31/s ... operation/

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Doctors treating Michael Schumacher have reported a 'slight improvement' in his condition after a second operation was carried out to relieve the swelling on his brain.

The 44-year-old remains in a medically induced coma having undergone brain surgery on Sunday after hitting his head on a rock whilst skiing in the French Alps.

A second procedure lasting two hours was carried out on Monday evening at approximately 10pm local time.

However, the Grenoble Hospital medical team have stressed that the former F1 World Champion remains in a 'critical' condition and is not yet out of danger.

"Very late in the evening (Monday) another brain scan was carried out and we could see a slight improvement and that allowed us to tell the family that we would be able to have another surgical intervention to reduce the hematoma and that surgical intervention took place overnight," Grenoble Hospital Director General Jacqueline Hubert said.

"A new scan was carried out this morning and it shows slight improvements, slight radiological improvements."

The doctors were keen to stress that they had seen no signs of Schumacher's condition deteriorating.

"At the end of yesterday afternoon we had an improvement of intracranial pressure and we were able to carry out a scan without taking any kind on unnecessary risk," Professor Jean-Francois Payen added.

"That scan showed a few signs that were relatively stable and I would like to underline that - in other words we had no sign that there was a worsening of the initial lesions.

"At that moment, talking to our neurological surgeons, taking into consideration his state had slightly improved, we suggested we would carry out a surgical intervention that had not been originally envisioned but that allowed us in the evening to treat in a more efficient fashion and in a more radical fashion to try and eliminate this intracranial pressure.

"This was carried out during the night with relatively good efficiency which allowed us this morning to look at new images and we were able to see that this hematoma had been evacuated in a very correct and very satisfactory fashion and we now have a few signs that currently can allow us to feel that it is better controlled than it was yesterday."

Chief Neurologist Professor Emmanuel Gay carried out the operation during the night which lasted around two hours.

"This was not the hematoma that had been removed the night before, this was a hematoma that was actually in the brain itself, but all the parameters last night allowed us to eliminate it and therefore together we decided to do so and at the same time to reduce intracranial pressure," Gay said.

"On the control scan that was carried out this morning the levels of intracranial pressure have improved, but the scan does show there are other legions on other parts of the brain and those legions are going to be supervised and followed up of course. We can't for the moment envisage much more - we are just going to be regularly supervising the situation on an hourly basis and that is all we can say today."

However, despite the positive news, Payen stressed Schumacher was still not out of danger and the medical team treating him were unable to make any predictions about the future.

"The situation is better controlled than it was on Monday, but we are unable to say that he is out of danger, however, we now have slightly more, we have gained a bit of time, with regard to development, but once again the coming hours are still critical," he said.

"This surgical intervention helped us to control the situation better and it is slightly better than yesterday, but to say he is out of danger, that I can't answer."

Professor Payen also revealed that they had not considered taking Schumacher out of his medically induced coma yet as they still have a number of other procedures to carry out.

"No we haven't reduced the treatment, he still remains in a coma and for the moment there is absolutely no question of evaluating from a neurological point of view and seeing how he will be when he wakes up. At the moment we still have some other problems and some other treatments that have to be made.

"We are here to tell you what has happened over the last 24 hours, but we really cannot say anything about the future as it is too premature to do so.

"He is in a state of hypothermia and a medically induced coma - how long that will last? It will last as long as we judge to be necessary. There are no forecasts right now, none at all."

Family friend Professor Gerard Saillant, who is one of the leading orthopaedic surgeons in the world, was also present and whilst he is not involved in treating Schumacher he maintained no prognosis for the future should be drawn from the improvements overnight.

"I would just like to underline that we have decided to talk about objectionable signs, factual signs, what exists and what is present. Everything will be expressed in a transparent fashion, but it would be dishonest on our part and on your part to draw any conclusions from this about the future whether this be tomorrow, or six months or two years. It would be stupid to talk about it."

The doctors in Grenoble also revealed that transferring Schumacher to his native Germany had not been considered as the risks were too high.

"For the moment to envisage a transfer would be dangerous because of his medical condition which is still very fragile," Payen said.

"Afterwards that question will arise and we will decide once again in a collegial fashion at what point this transfer could be considered. However, once again at the moment, with the work we are carrying out as a medical team, with the support that we have from the large medical community, we feel it is important for him to be here and to be treated here."
mirror.co.uk - Live updates with transcript from the medical confrence
"We are slightly less worried than we were yesterday. You have to allow the medical team to work," says a hospital official."We'll have another press conference if there is some news."
https://twitter.com/bgarloff/status/417974763709923328 All we can do is to wait and hope for more improvements and positive news in the following hours and days. My thoughts and prayers are with Michael and his family at this difficult times. Hoping for his speedy and full recovery.
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lebesset wrote:natasha richardson [ liam neeson's actress wife ] had a similar accident but at low speed during a beginners skiing lesson without helmet ; felt fine to begin with , refused medical attention and it was 7 hours before she was properly treated , too late to save her ; ~I am encouraged by the fact that schumi got expert attention so quickly , seems to make a huge difference in these cases
Natasha Richardson's accident was particularly tragic as it was a much much smaller incident and she felt fine after the immediate event. However much like Schumacher there was internal bleeding in the brain itself that took a little while for the swelling and pressure to build up and cause her to feel unwell enough to seek further help. By that stage it was too late for her. Schumacher was apparently lucid immediately after the incident but much more quickly the pressure built up and caused him difficulty - fortunately he was already receiving medical attention and they were able to act quickly to stabilise him and get him to a specialist facility. He's not out of the woods by any stretch but he has a good chance of coming out of this alive, any lasting effects are impossible to assess until he is brought out of his induced coma.

The big take away point from Natasha Richardson's tragedy is that whenever you suffer a head injury it is much better to get yourself properly checked over, never refuse treatment. It is far far better to waste some of your time receiving medical attention and to not need it than to refuse that treatment and to then have your condition deteriorate too rapidly for anyone to be able to help.

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http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2013/1 ... ce-take-1/

FormerF1doc's summary of latest press conference.

A few years ago my Mother had a massive stroke and it was touch and go for months and was completely paralysed down one side and unable to swallow, the initial 48 hours were on a knife edge. We had good days and terrible days but in the end she made an amazing recovery all things considered which completely surprised the medical staff. I learned a lot talking to the neurosurgeons but it's simply impossible to predict outcomes as patients with similar injuries can have hugely different outcomes. It can come down to the will of the individual to get better.

I sincerely wish Schumie the very best of luck during this time and that the drive of an F1 champion will stand him in good stead when the recovery phase begins, as I'm sure we all hope it will.

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Hmm, I was worried that the state that he had been brought into Grenoble had dragged on for too long. However, we'll see how things go from here. Obviously coming out of the coma earlier is better but I have a feeling he might be under for a few weeks like most other head injuries of this type.

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munudeges wrote:Hmm, I was worried that the state that he had been brought into Grenoble had dragged on for too long. However, we'll see how things go from here. Obviously coming out of the coma earlier is better but I have a feeling he might be under for a few weeks like most other head injuries of this type.
He's not in a coma as a result of the injuries; he's in an "induced coma" which is a deliberate choice by his medical team. They will bring him out of it when he is ready. We can't know anything directly about his health from how long he's in the coma.

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myurr wrote:The big take away point from Natasha Richardson's tragedy is that whenever you suffer a head injury it is much better to get yourself properly checked over, never refuse treatment. It is far far better to waste some of your time receiving medical attention and to not need it than to refuse that treatment and to then have your condition deteriorate too rapidly for anyone to be able to help.
This - you will not find a healthcare professional who doesn't take you seriously if you tell them you had a head injury. I'm ambulance crew with St John Ambulance and we have very strict guidelines for when we can and can't discharge a patient who has had a head injury. Normally there has to be someone willing to keep a close eye on them for 24 hours and we give them a list of things to look out for. If we can't be sure they'll be monitored by a friend/family then we would take them to the Emergency Department unless they refused.
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Paris Match also reported that Schumacher's helmet had "exploded" into three pieces upon impact with a rock on the ski slope.
wait, wut? how violent and fast must he have hit the floor on a rock to actually break/explode your helmet into 3 pieces?? :wtf: :wtf:
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There might be other factors you know. An helmet should be changed every X years, should be changed upon a small shock, etc. I recon that people never change their helmet if it fall on the floor or gets a small hit, which is a big mistake. But we don't know the state of that helmet, so let's not speculate. I wish Schumi a full recovery, that's the best we can wish him for new year!

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MadMatt wrote:There might be other factors you know. An helmet should be changed every X years, should be changed upon a small shock, etc. I recon that people never change their helmet if it fall on the floor or gets a small hit, which is a big mistake. But we don't know the state of that helmet, so let's not speculate. I wish Schumi a full recovery, that's the best we can wish him for new year!
It's also entirely plausible that the helmet was designed to do that to absorb the force.

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beelsebob wrote:
MadMatt wrote:There might be other factors you know. An helmet should be changed every X years, should be changed upon a small shock, etc. I recon that people never change their helmet if it fall on the floor or gets a small hit, which is a big mistake. But we don't know the state of that helmet, so let's not speculate. I wish Schumi a full recovery, that's the best we can wish him for new year!
It's also entirely plausible that the helmet was designed to do that to absorb the force.
Yes and no. It could be that the helmet contains material that crack and burst to absorb one shock, but not several ones.
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I doubt helmets are designed to crack open. The inside part is designed to deform to absorb the impact, but once you go over a certain load the whole helmet will fail. At that point its not protecting you anymore. This is what happened to Senna, Massa and appears to be what may have happened to Schumacher.

Schumachers ski helmet may have been the best on the market but so were Senna's and Massa's at the time. Since then they have been strengthened and perhaps the same will happen with these ski helmets.
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WillerZ wrote:He's not in a coma as a result of the injuries; he's in an "induced coma" which is a deliberate choice by his medical team.
The point here is that he was not in an induced coma when he arrived at hospital after the flight, as he should have been, and there has been some word play going on as to how he ended up in a coma after that. It's not as 'induced' as it should have been. let's put it that way.

I also see there has been stuff put about that Schumacher was not travelling at speed when this accident happened. His injury tells you this was a very hard hit.

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Journalist disguised as priest tried to enter Schumacher's hospital room :x
http://jalopnik.com/journalist-idiot-di ... 1492241212