Lotus E22 Pre-launch Speculation

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What the image does show is that Lotus have moved away from integrating the DRD ears with the chassis. If they want to run it this year they will have to mount them on the engine cover. I wrote a bit about this here if you're interested - http://richlandf1.com/?p=18134

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FrukostScones wrote:not like that I think,
it looks like there is a small ledge on the edge of the tub, at first parallel but then angling off slightly downwards, seen where the refelections and shadows are...
The way the photo was taken can be misleading but, I was looking at the reflections of the lights.

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miguelalvesreis wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:not like that I think,
it looks like there is a small ledge on the edge of the tub, at first parallel but then angling off slightly downwards, seen where the refelections and shadows are...
The way the photo was taken can be misleading but, I was looking at the reflections of the lights.
look again, also on the other tweeted image, seems to be the same section; maybe you will see what I mean, don't think of the decals/paint scheme...
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FrukostScones wrote:
miguelalvesreis wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:not like that I think,
it looks like there is a small ledge on the edge of the tub, at first parallel but then angling off slightly downwards, seen where the refelections and shadows are...
The way the photo was taken can be misleading but, I was looking at the reflections of the lights.
look again, also on the other tweeted image, seems to be the same section; maybe you will see what I mean, don't think of the decals/paint scheme...
Yes, maybe you're right. One of the light reflections is trapezoidal on the horizontal axis and if there was a drop curved surface, the reflection would follow it.

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in 2014 changes the height of the frame,They can 'build an airbox more' long ?

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huh?

why do you suggest the chassis will be lower between BB and CC?

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Yeah im wondering the same, the bulkhead will be 625 starting at driver cockpit and then at the front of the bulkhead it will be 525.

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miguelalvesreis wrote:[/img]
DM0407 wrote:Maybe this is a dumb observation but, does the right hand side (picture) seem to slope down but the middle section stays almost the same height?
It seems so!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/130 ... %20E22.jpg Source: @Lotus_F1Team
Don´t get fooled by the livery. The tub is consistent across it´s length until it reaches the tub where the driver sits.

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I still don't get the "2013 downforce level" claim; seems very unlikely no matter how creatively high you make the nose.

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I think the nose of the Williams Fw23 on the E 22 is illegal

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It may 'be legal only if it is added to the tip as caterham

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zioture wrote:I think the nose of the Williams Fw23 on the E 22 is illegal

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... -lotus.jpg

It may 'be legal only if it is added to the tip as caterham

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... -final.jpg

http://www.newsf1.it
Take a look at this (and the follwing posts) Zioture http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 18#p471518 : P

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Blackout wrote:
zioture wrote:I think the nose of the Williams Fw23 on the E 22 is illegal

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... -lotus.jpg

It may 'be legal only if it is added to the tip as caterham

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... -final.jpg

http://www.newsf1.it
Take a look at this (and the follwing posts) Zioture http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 18#p471518 : P
:shock: Thanks

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When I first saw that post I directly thought back to my idea.

There are a couple of issues though:
-Crash test-wise you will have issues getting through. there's very little volume to deaccelerate.
-It pushes the boundaries of the technical rules to the uttermost extremities. It's doubtful the FIA will accept it; Charlie just might bring out a technical clarification that inmediately bans this.
-There's a certain regulatory box 50mm behind the nose tip. It needs to have a projected surface of 9000mm² at that point and inbetween 135mm and 250mm above the reference plane. This will leave you with a 78.26mm (thanks Somers for the calculations) wide nose at that point. You definitely want symmetry on both sides, else you will get downforce and airflow differences between both sides of the car. I used the vanity panel in my idea to circumvent the rules and get symmetry, but as the nose has to be 78.26mm, so will have the vanity to be. Those are very thick "nose/vanity pylons". I'm just going to note here that splitting the structural nose in 2 normally isn't allowed, but IF Lotus did found a way to circumvent that and can legally explain a splitted nose, both sides can be 39,13mm.

Personally, I doubt that Lotus tried this. They got passed the crash tests, so whatever they have now is allowed to race. I don't see the FIA just allowing this, except if they allowed less extreme types of noses before and were now either forced to allow this one as well or ban all the different types.
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turbof1 wrote:When I first saw that post I directly thought back to my idea.

There are a couple of issues though:
-Crash test-wise you will issues getting through. there's very few volume to deaccelerate.
-It pushes the boundaries of the technical rules to the uttermost extremities. It's doubtful the FIA will accept it; Charlie just might bring out a technical clarification that inmediately bans this.
-There's a certain regulatory box behind 50mm behind the nose tip. It needs to have a projected surface of 9000m² at that point and inbetween 135mm and 250mm above the reference plane. This will leave you with a 78.26mm (thanks Somers for the calculations) wide nose at that point. You definitely want symmetry on both sides, else you will get downforce and airflow differences between both sides of the car. I used the vanity panel in my idea to circumvent the rules and get symmetry, but as the nose has to be 78.26mm, so will have the vanity to be. Those are very thick "nose/vanity pylons". I'm just going to note here that splitting the structural nose in 2 normally isn't allowed, but IF Lotus did found a way to circumvent that and can legally explain a splitted nose, both sides can be 39,13mm.

Personally, I doubt that Lotus tried this. They got passed the crash tests, so whatever they have now is allowed to race. I don't see the FIA just allowing this, except if they allowed less extreme types of noses before and were now either forced to allow this one as well or ban all the different types.

It 's interesting to read what Charlie Whiting says in this article we can traslate
http://www.f1passion.it/2014/01/f1-whit ... po-strane/