Ferrari F14T

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Mr.G
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That's the problem, it looks like an inlet on the picture taken from top and like a outlet on the picture taken from behind. I think we wont be able to solve this without better pictures.
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Mr.G wrote:That's the problem, it looks like an inlet on the picture taken from top and like a outlet on the picture taken from behind. I think we wont be able to solve this without better pictures.

Well, the thing I don't get is why you would take the intake air from a low pressure area up there rather than just feed it from the high pressure airbox right next to it. I could understand it if it had a hood over the top.

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PhillipM wrote:
Mr.G wrote:That's the problem, it looks like an inlet on the picture taken from top and like a outlet on the picture taken from behind. I think we wont be able to solve this without better pictures.

Well, the thing I don't get is why you would take the intake air from a low pressure area up there rather than just feed it from the high pressure airbox right next to it. I could understand it if it had a hood over the top.
I know, I'm on the same page as you are, for me it make more sense if it's outlet.
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That is an inlet (maybe we need a poll!). Since it doesn't have forced intake, you can modulate the intake by changing the pressure inside the "housing", or whatever its leading to. That solution isn't as easy but much better aerodynamically, which is a major goal for this year.
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darkmninya wrote:Im not an expert but the car gives me no aerodynanic sense,
It will fail like the f150, I have bad feeling about the car
I absolutely agree with you.
I don't know why in Ferrari retain the shape of the exhausts like in 2012/2013 with the exhausts acer.
I don't understand why the Engine cooling outlets are before the rear suspensions thereby expelling all the heat straight to them , whereas in other cars we're seeing from the aerial camera that they're positioning them above the rear suspension and at the height of the exhaust outlet thereby saving much more space in the sidepods in order to allow the air go right away to the difusor without problems.
In my opinion the best solution is the used for Mclaren and Lotus and I think all the teams were doing the same solution. I don't understand the solution of the vacumm cleaner in Ferrari either. Because I think they always could have given up a little bit of other things in order to have had a nose more efficient and beauty like Lotus,Mclaren or other teams.

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So, page 22 and still nobody complaining about the pull rod front suspensions?
Jokes (?) a part, I'm impressed, this F14-T looks amazingly similar to the F138 in overall volumes but the nose, of course.

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Looks like an inlet to me which escapes just above the exhaust.
As we can see from a closer look at the car's rear end we can see the curvature of the upper section of the Engine Cover's outlet is shaped like a double barrel shotgun. Furthermore it appears that the barrel's have been abruptly curtailed by a piece of horizontal bodywork which turns them into a very narrow outlet. I'd suggest that the airflow being drawn in further up the Engine Cover (seen just above the outlets in this image and talked about earlier in the article) could be feeding this outlet.
http://somersf1.blogspot.com/2014/01/fe ... lysis.html

Credit: somersf1

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elFranZ wrote:So, page 22 and still nobody complaining about the pull rod front suspensions?
Jokes (?) a part, I'm impressed, this F14-T looks amazingly similar to the F138 in overall volumes but the nose, of course.
Same chassis from F2012->F138->FI4T, same suspensions, maybe the same problems on traction? :twisted:
http://www.f1times.co.uk/compare/ferrari/

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TechF1 wrote:
elFranZ wrote:So, page 22 and still nobody complaining about the pull rod front suspensions?
Jokes (?) a part, I'm impressed, this F14-T looks amazingly similar to the F138 in overall volumes but the nose, of course.
Same chassis from F2012->F138->FI4T, same suspensions, maybe the same problems on traction? :twisted:
http://www.f1times.co.uk/compare/ferrari/
Traction issues are interesting, I'm not sure if the chassis is a complete three year carry over (I'm aware detail will be fine tuned and adjusted, but for arguments sake the main chassis architecture of the car).

Ferrari have retained the high bulkhead, who knows if we'll see another so high (perhaps Mercedes who, from images on twitter, look to have a high bulkhead to a very steep nose decline).

Its no secret Ferrari had traction issues, but can these be rectified with pure geometric changes? Remember the gearbox is brand new, so hard points will have changed.

I'm sure Ferrari will have understood they have an issue and done all they can to fix it, with 3 times the torque they need too!!!

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TechF1 wrote:
elFranZ wrote:So, page 22 and still nobody complaining about the pull rod front suspensions?
Jokes (?) a part, I'm impressed, this F14-T looks amazingly similar to the F138 in overall volumes but the nose, of course.
Same chassis from F2012->F138->FI4T, same suspensions, maybe the same problems on traction? :twisted:
http://www.f1times.co.uk/compare/ferrari/
Without blown diffusers, engine mapping tricks and exhaust tricks, traction might not be a problem. Ferrari did alright when blown diffusers were banned at Silverstone.
Seems to be an evolution of the cars from the previous 2-3 seasons, which might not be a bad thing if Ferrari have resolved all the problems and applied solutions to the new car. Seems Ferrari might have chucked everything at 2014 all along. That would be my hope if I were a die hard Ferrari fan (which I'm not).
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TechF1 wrote:
elFranZ wrote:So, page 22 and still nobody complaining about the pull rod front suspensions?
Jokes (?) a part, I'm impressed, this F14-T looks amazingly similar to the F138 in overall volumes but the nose, of course.
Same chassis from F2012->F138->FI4T, same suspensions, maybe the same problems on traction? :twisted:
http://www.f1times.co.uk/compare/ferrari/
Hope you're wrong man!
Please note the rear suspension arms in the side shot: attachment points are far back compared to F138 (oh, thanks for the link). The overall gearbox + suspension mount looks very tight, at least if compared to the past two seasons.
It's very unclear, but I believe something important has changed on the back of the car.

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elFranZ wrote:
TechF1 wrote:
elFranZ wrote:So, page 22 and still nobody complaining about the pull rod front suspensions?
Jokes (?) a part, I'm impressed, this F14-T looks amazingly similar to the F138 in overall volumes but the nose, of course.
Same chassis from F2012->F138->FI4T, same suspensions, maybe the same problems on traction? :twisted:
http://www.f1times.co.uk/compare/ferrari/
Hope you're wrong man!
Please note the rear suspension arms in the side shot: attachment points are far back compared to F138 (oh, thanks for the link). The overall gearbox + suspension mount looks very tight, at least if compared to the past two seasons.
It's very unclear, but I believe something important has changed on the back of the car.
Ferrari may have discovered what was wrong with the previous 2-3 cars, found solutions and applied them for 2014.
No point chucking the baby out with the bath water as that lame old saying goes.

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It's also interesting to note this:
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dunno if discovered by him but taken from SomersF1.
So the exausts will blow on Monkey seat? :o
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.poz wrote:
SectorOne wrote:It might be a cockpit surround. But for ants.
http://i.imgur.com/bK8xImM.png?1

look at it again. Look at proportion between the human arm and the part.....

It' clearly a a cockpit surround, the one you remove before you can get out of the car

http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/wp-content/up ... 00x200.jpg http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/a ... t-well.jpg http://uksportsmanagement.co.uk/assets/9721.jpg

Look the view just one second later, that gap doesn't fit a head on it
https://www.dropbox.com/s/68ce7sful8wlp ... .16.45.png