Red Bull RB10 Renault

[bonjon1979]

Two weeks till Bahrain. It's going to be a busy week or so at Milton Keynes. I can't believe they'd have time to design and fabricate a whole new sidepod, engine cover etc. Maybe I'm wrong but that would be an incredible feat so I expect some sort of halfway house using the old bodywork but adapted. The impression I get is that there is a significant redesign needed and should this be the case, it's not only about getting the car running now, it'll have a knock on effect further down the line. While other teams are preparing their Melbourne spec aero package, Red Bull are fire fighting literally and metaphorically. I would be surprised if the aero package they have designed for Melbourne will be relevant any more as it seems like the car will be going through some changes. It could be that the car isn't really performing until the Barcelona race, however, if you're going to have a dodgy car, the first few races are the time to have it in. There will be retirements and it'll make it something of a lottery. Double points at the end plays into RB's hands as well, I wouldn't go writing them off just yet.

[zioture]

Craig Scarborough said about the camera on nose:

" No front camera pods were fitted for the test. It’s possible they might try something radical with faux’ camera mounts, extended wishbones and perhaps even the removable panel over the S-Duct. "
It could be so '?

[gandharva]

I'm talking about the STR9's sidepods too not only the coke bottle. The latter is normal; not the tigtest, but not fat... The sidepods in the other hand, I mean the part that hosts the radiators, the electronics etc, is very small, low and tight. Even the bodywork around the exhausts looks very tight on the STR9. The Rb10 has much taller and bigger sidepods.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 1&start=45
http://cdn-6.motorsport.com/static/img/ ... 6/s1_1.jpg
http://cdn-4.motorsport.com/static/img/ ... 4/s1_1.jpg
http://grandprix247.com/wp-content/uplo ... -extra.jpg

RB10 and STR9 use completely different packaging. There is no way to compare them. I already mentioned it twice here in the thread. Imho there is no car in 2014 (maybe the Ferrari comes close) that has its engine sitting that deep down in the chassis like RB10. Just watch the pics in this thread. There is no visible bulk on the engine cover on RB10 where you would expect it. Even RB9 was a fatty in this area compared to RB10.

/edit
This pic shows my point very well -> http://www7.pic-upload.de/01.02.14/7mz7mzi6tiw.jpg

For the rest, i agree with raymondu999.

[OO7]

I'm talking about the STR9's sidepods too not only the coke bottle. The latter is normal; not the tigtest, but not fat... The sidepods in the other hand, I mean the part that hosts the radiators, the electronics etc, is very small, low and tight. Even the bodywork around the exhausts looks very tight on the STR9. The Rb10 has much taller and bigger sidepods.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 1&start=45
http://cdn-6.motorsport.com/static/img/ ... 6/s1_1.jpg
http://cdn-4.motorsport.com/static/img/ ... 4/s1_1.jpg
http://grandprix247.com/wp-content/uplo ... -extra.jpg

RB10 and STR9 use completely different packaging. There is no way to compare them. I already mentioned it twice here in the thread. Imho there is no car in 2014 (maybe the Ferrari comes close) that has its engine sitting that deep down in the chassis like RB10. Just watch the pics in this thread. There is no visible bulk on the engine cover on RB10 where you would expect it. Even RB9 was a fatty in this area compared to RB10.

/edit
This pic shows my point very well -> http://www7.pic-upload.de/01.02.14/7mz7mzi6tiw.jpg

For the rest, i agree with raymondu999.

Its not a case of the Renault unit in the RB10 sitting very low or deep, its more that the Red Bull has tall sidepods and a large engine cover (NOTE: no shark fin).

[gandharva]

Its not a case of the Renault unit in the RB10 sitting very low or deep...

It is and it is easily spottable. See red circles. All cars except the Farrari and RB10 have a visible bump in this area. You don't need that bump if your engine is installed lower in the chassis. A low barycentre has enormous impact in the cars handling.

[dren]

Does the STR9 have overheating problems ? I dont think so. But it didnt run many kms anyway. We'll see in Bahrain.

The team was cutting holes in the chassis during the test. I would say they did have some heat issues...

[rscsr]

Its not a case of the Renault unit in the RB10 sitting very low or deep...

It is and it is easily spottable. See red circles. All cars except the Farrari and RB10 have a visible bump in this area. You don't need that bump if your engine is installed lower in the chassis. A low barycentre has enormous impact in the cars handling.

http://abload.de/img/7mz7mzi6tiw4vjcf.jpg

The RB10 really doesn't have a bump there, but that is exaggerated due to the high Sidepods. But I don't really believe that the engine is mounted lower, because the crankcase should be almost exactly as big as on the other cars and therefore everyone mounts the engine as low as possible. (basically on the floor of the car)

[gandharva]

The RB10 really doesn't have a bump there, but that is exaggerated due to the high Sidepods.

For me the height of the sidepods is quite similar for all the cars on the upper pic.

[Blackout]

The RB10 do have high sidepods (atleast compared to the Toro Rosso) and maybe that helps it cover the engine's intake plenum a bit, with a smooth transision between the roll hoop bodywork and the top of the sidepods. Look closely on the profile pics too.

Does the STR9 have overheating problems ? I dont think so. But it didnt run many kms anyway. We'll see in Bahrain.

The team was cutting holes in the chassis during the test. I would say they did have some heat issues...

! didnt see that. Do you have some pics ?

[Blackout]

But your observation is interesting anyway.
I would say both cars are very simlar in that ragard (the shape of the bodywork above the engine around the Bull's head)
Only the STR have sidepods that taper very much backwards.

[bonjon1979]

Its not a case of the Renault unit in the RB10 sitting very low or deep...

It is and it is easily spottable. See red circles. All cars except the Farrari and RB10 have a visible bump in this area. You don't need that bump if your engine is installed lower in the chassis. A low barycentre has enormous impact in the cars handling.

http://abload.de/img/7mz7mzi6tiw4vjcf.jpg

Interesting observation.

[zoro_f1]

Its not a case of the Renault unit in the RB10 sitting very low or deep...

It is and it is easily spottable. See red circles. All cars except the Farrari and RB10 have a visible bump in this area. You don't need that bump if your engine is installed lower in the chassis. A low barycentre has enormous impact in the cars handling.

http://abload.de/img/7mz7mzi6tiw4vjcf.jpg

over the past couple of years, williams are using very low gear box and maybe they have an advantage over the power unit... and like other teams, they are using mercedes but williams are keen to use low (small) gear box and on their car i cannot see the bump... i don't know is there any connection with this my opinion... it's just my thought...

[timbo]

I do not think there's much of a difference in the engine position between cars. It goes as deep as it can go and no point in lifting it. Ancillaries may differ though.

[miguelalvesreis]

But your observation is interesting anyway.
I would say both cars are very simlar in that ragard (the shape of the bodywork above the engine around the Bull's head)
Only the STR have sidepods that taper very much backwards.

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526

Actually, on that area, I do not see any mensurable differences. Where one has a bum the other has a horizontal surface coming from the cockpit protection.

As a side note, this image is awesome to compare the front suspension geometry. Look how thin and how close are the ones on the RB. And the way the rear upper arm seems to direct the flow to the undercut on the sidepod

[OO7]

Does the STR9 have overheating problems ? I dont think so. But it didnt run many kms anyway. We'll see in Bahrain.

The team was cutting holes in the chassis during the test. I would say they did have some heat issues...

I think that is a result of other packaging considerations e.g cooling network. As has been mentioned all the engines are pretty much on the floor of the cars so can't be situated any lower.