2014 too slow? (or not, as the case may be)

[hollowBallistix]

So do we actually know the energy density is being put out by F1 fuel ? from the regulations I can find the RON rating has to be between 95 & 102, which are basically the same as what I can get for my road car, have no idea on the other ingredients that they may blend in there...

I've seen an energy density for 91 Octane Fuel to be lower than a 98 Octane fuel, so the blend must impact not only the energy density but the anti-knock properties also, so surely they could develop a fuel with 47MJ/kg but with the anti-knocking properties ?

[hollowBallistix]

TC suggested 50.5 MJ/kg here...

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 06#p470206

So now we're at 950hp

100*50.5 / 3600 * 40% = 561 kW or 752 BHP

[Pup]

Heh, I swapped the 40% and 50.5.

So 912hp total.

[OrangeArrows]

Heh, I swapped the 40% and 50.5.

So 912hp total.

LOL They almost reach the 1000 HP The FIA must be happy

[Sevach]

This seems relevant.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-no ... 14-button/

1,8 before accounting for engine and aero.
Aero is gonna be another big loss, engine is still up in the air...

[beelsebob]

This seems relevant.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-no ... 14-button/

1,8 before accounting for engine and aero.
Aero is gonna be another big loss, engine is still up in the air...

However, he also asserts that by the end of the year he expects the cars to be nearly at 2013 speeds.

[Sevach]

This seems relevant.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-no ... 14-button/

1,8 before accounting for engine and aero.
Aero is gonna be another big loss, engine is still up in the air...

However, he also asserts that by the end of the year he expects the cars to be nearly at 2013 speeds.

Keep in mind that Button's interpretation of "not that far off" is a couple of seconds...

[Manoah2u]

This seems relevant.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-no ... 14-button/

1,8 before accounting for engine and aero.
Aero is gonna be another big loss, engine is still up in the air...

However, he also asserts that by the end of the year he expects the cars to be nearly at 2013 speeds.

Keep in mind that Button's interpretation of "not that far off" is a couple of seconds...

way to yinyang

[CHT]

This seems relevant.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-no ... 14-button/

1,8 before accounting for engine and aero.
Aero is gonna be another big loss, engine is still up in the air...

Yes, lets only talk about speed after we see cars doing their race simulation at Bahrain.

[PlatinumZealot]

Lets be realistic. TC aint gonna give no exact numbers on these things! He knows the average audience is not too interested in accurate numbers, so he basically just threw some numbers out there in that interview.

The guy said the outgoing v8's were 30% thermally effiecient and you guys believe this??? REAAALY??? believe this?
The interview suggested that the 2014 V6 is half the horsepower of some immeasurable, estimated 1500hp engines from the 1980's due to having half the fuel flow of some estimated 1980's 200kg/hr fuel flow.... and TC simply replied.... "Yes" and you guys are treating this as scripture??!!

I know we are dying for numbers to crunch be we have to be mindful of the context of the interview...

[Pierce89]

Lets be realistic. TC aint gonna give no exact numbers on these things! He knows the average audience is not too interested in accurate numbers, so he basically just threw some numbers out there in that interview.

The guy said the outgoing v8's were 30% thermally effiecient and you guys believe this??? REAAALY??? believe this?
The interview suggested that the 2014 V6 is half the horsepower of some immeasurable, estimated 1500hp engines from the 1980's due to having half the fuel flow of some estimated 1980's 200kg/hr fuel flow.... and TC simply replied.... "Yes" and you guys are treating this as scripture??!!

I know we are dying for numbers to crunch be we have to be mindful of the context of the interview...

What do you think the thermal efficiency of the outgoing V8s was?

[WhiteBlue]

What do you think the thermal efficiency of the outgoing V8s was?

We have used 29% with a relative wide support of the discussing members the years before 2014. There is even a specific thread about the issue.

On 16 Sep 2010, 06:24 I concluded the discussion:

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 02#p199202

[Sevach]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbBVwh2Ybxc[/youtube]

Ok Button says, 1,6s tires and weight.
Michael points out old KERS 0,3s lap, new ERS system 2s+ lap.

About even so far... all on how much the combustion engine will be down on power (anyone's guess) and the how much less downforce they'll have.

A couple of things to keep in mind, ERS harvesting, in Q we will see drivers using 160 bhp for 33s, in the race we won't the gap between how fast the car is in Qualy and the race becomes wider.

Second the fuel flow is limited to 100kg per hour, but the races last more than an hour...
it's very possible that the engines will produce 700+ for Q and be down to the low 600s in the race.

Overall we might see cars that are about 2,5 seconds off in Q and close to 5 in race mode.

[beelsebob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbBVwh2Ybxc

Ok Button says, 1,6s tires and weight.
Michael points out old KERS 0,3s lap, new ERS system 2s+ lap.

About even so far... all on how much the combustion engine will be down on power (anyone's guess) and the how much less downforce they'll have.

A couple of things to keep in mind, ERS harvesting, in Q we will see drivers using 160 bhp for 33s, in the race we won't the gap between how fast the car is in Qualy and the race becomes wider.

Second the fuel flow is limited to 100kg per hour, but the races last more than an hour...
it's very possible that the engines will produce 700+ for Q and be down to the low 600s in the race.

I very much doubt we'll see any cut in engine power for the race, simply because the drivers are not on the throttle all the time. Even if the peak fuel flow in qualifying is 100kg/h, that doesn't mean that the average is (and in fact, I fully expect it to be much lower).

[Sevach]

I very much doubt we'll see any cut in engine power for the race, simply because the drivers are not on the throttle all the time. Even if the peak fuel flow in qualifying is 100kg/h, that doesn't mean that the average is (and in fact, I fully expect it to be much lower).

I'm not with you on this one, even if the V6s naturally use less fuel than the V8s the drop from (around) 150kg to 100kg will mean they can't use full power for the duration of the race.

I very much believe they will be fuel limited, even if as you say it won't be quite from 100% to 75%.