Schumacher ski accident, coma and recovery

[beelsebob]

they aren't exactly harming anyone.

I disagree.

Imagine 5 billion people genuinely believing in leprechauns and unicorns.
Sure no harm done to individuals per say but what about humanity as a whole?

Actually, there can often be harm to individuals too, when people decide that praying has more power than taking someone to a hospital, and getting a professional medic to look at them. Thankfully in this case, that isn't true, but it can become true a disturbingly high number of times.

[simieski]

I agree completely, however if you'd like to leave the reductio ad asurdum to the side for one moment, I was talking specifically with regard to, and within the confines of this thread. Again, not really the place for this discussion.

[acosmichippo]

I agree completely, however if you'd like to leave the reductio ad asurdum to the side for one moment, I was talking specifically with regard to, and within the confines of this thread. Again, not really the place for this discussion.

Agreed. I'm as atheist as they come, but come on guys. save the theological debates for another thread. When I see new posts in this thread I'm hopeful there is some actual news or legitimate discussion, not people bickering about prayer.

[Chuckjr]

Source:

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... continues/

Schumacher not responding to stimuli as awakening continues
10 February, 2014


Ross Brawn with Michael Schumacher
Two weeks have passed since doctors started the process to wake Michael Schumacher, but the Formula 1 legend remains in a coma.

Bild-Zeitung reports that while the seven time world champion has often presented reflex twitches since the anaesthetic was reduced, Schumacher is still not responding to deliberate stimuli.

However, Bild said thatthe former Mercedes and Ferrari driver’s wife Corinna – who is at his bedside on a daily basis – is following the doctors’ advice by continually talking to the 45-year-old, as there is evidence that this practise can help a patient in Schumacher’s condition.

The report also claimed that the newly-retired Ross Brawn, who worked closely with Schumacher during the German’s Benetton years and ultra-successful Ferrari era, visited the seven time World Champion’s bedside, slipping in almost unnoticed by the media last Thursday, through the staff entrance.

Meanwhile, it is believed that French investigators into the skiing accident are preparing to reveal their findings, with Bild citing ‘legal sources’ in believing that the file will simply be closed. (GMM)

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Come on Michael! You can beat this!!!

[Rikhart]

This just in: Prayers do not have an effect on any living being inside what we call the universe.
They only make the person "praying" feel better in thinking they are accomplishing something that do not exist.

If Michael lives it will be through the state-of-the-art technology and knowledge in that particular field of science.
I´m sorry but it´s 2014 now, not 1865.
What people need to have that´s outside the operating room is patience and let the professionals do what they do best.

Whatever happens, he´s had one hell of a life. I´d switch my life in an instant to have his life and being a 7 time world champ but perhaps die at a young age then not being able to race in F1 at all and die at 90.

You are wrong, and out of touch with modern science, that has proven that the intentions of the observer(s) have a measurable effect on any given experiment...

[ChrisF1]

This just in: Prayers do not have an effect on any living being inside what we call the universe.
They only make the person "praying" feel better in thinking they are accomplishing something that do not exist.

If Michael lives it will be through the state-of-the-art technology and knowledge in that particular field of science.
I´m sorry but it´s 2014 now, not 1865.
What people need to have that´s outside the operating room is patience and let the professionals do what they do best.

Whatever happens, he´s had one hell of a life. I´d switch my life in an instant to have his life and being a 7 time world champ but perhaps die at a young age then not being able to race in F1 at all and die at 90.

You are wrong, and out of touch with modern science, that has proven that the intentions of the observer(s) have a measurable effect on any given experiment...

I would love to see your scientific or medical journal that states praying to a god(s) helps heal.

[Richard]

There's a reason why most forums prohibit region and politics. This thread seems like a picket line outside Westboro Baptist Church.

As it happens, one's emotional/spiritual state can help with healing (ie depressed/stressed people suffer from more illnesses), but equally one's emotional/spiritual state can't deliver magic cures (prayer won't replace a splint for a broken leg). We shouldn't criticise people who find that prayer/mediation/superstition improves their well being.

So for the love of God, there's a someone who is seriously ill who'd be appreciative that he's in our thoughts and prayers. Have some tact.

[adrianjordan]

There's a reason why most forums prohibit region and politics. This thread seems like a picket line outside Westboro Baptist Church.

As it happens, one's emotional/spiritual state can help with healing (ie depressed/stressed people suffer from more illnesses), but equally one's emotional/spiritual state can't deliver magic cures (prayer won't replace a splint for a broken leg). We shouldn't criticise people who find that prayer/mediation/superstition improves their well being.

So for the love of God, there's a someone who is seriously ill who'd be appreciative that he's in our thoughts and prayers. Have some tact.

Here, here.

As an agnostic myself, but who's girlfriend and her family have very strong Christian beliefs, I can attest that even if there is no evidence that praying actually achieves anything for the person prayed for (likewise there is no strong evidence that it doesn't - we simply cannot know), one thing it does do is make the person doing the praying feel better. So if you're religious, please feel free to pray for Michael. If you're not religious, please respect the beliefs of those who are.

[SectorOne]

(likewise there is no strong evidence that it doesn't - we simply cannot know)

In the same manner Leprechauns could be controlling wall street. We simply cannot know...

[Aesto]

Here, here.

As an agnostic myself, but who's girlfriend and her family have very strong Christian beliefs, I can attest that even if there is no evidence that praying actually achieves anything for the person prayed for (likewise there is no strong evidence that it doesn't - we simply cannot know), one thing it does do is make the person doing the praying feel better. So if you're religious, please feel free to pray for Michael. If you're not religious, please respect the beliefs of those who are.

Actually there is scientific evidence indicating that prayer is useless if the person being prayed for doesn't know it, and it can have harmful effects if the person does know (presumably "performance anxiety"/"pressure" to get well). The initiator of the experiment is religious (and they were hoping to find positive evidence), so you can hardly accuse them of bias.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0305006496

[Pup]

Back to the helmet discussion, Pancachova's incident from Sochi shows us just how fickle head injuries are. Nasty hit, completely destroyed helmet, yet she walked away unharmed.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the ... 50900.html

According to the research I posted earlier, it's hits like hers where helmets really make the difference - moderate speed and packed, hard snow. It does look like she used all the protection the helmet had to offer.

[hecti]

Back to the helmet discussion, Pancachova's incident from Sochi shows us just how fickle head injuries are. Nasty hit, completely destroyed helmet, yet she walked away unharmed.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the ... 50900.html

According to the research I posted earlier, it's hits like hers where helmets really make the difference - moderate speed and packed, hard snow. It does look like she used all the protection the helmet had to offer.

Its amazing that she was able to walk away. But the fact that reassured me was when they showed her cracked helmet. This is what is supposed to happen on an impact like this. The fracturing of the helmet means that the helmet absorbed the grunt of the force and shielding her head from the strongest forces.

[clipsy1H]

Back to the helmet discussion, Pancachova's incident from Sochi shows us just how fickle head injuries are. Nasty hit, completely destroyed helmet, yet she walked away unharmed.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the ... 50900.html

According to the research I posted earlier, it's hits like hers where helmets really make the difference - moderate speed and packed, hard snow. It does look like she used all the protection the helmet had to offer.

i'm not a skier but for sure there's difference between freestyle snowboard helmets and alpine ski helmets.

And also a big difference between a fall in freestyle and one in ski with a rock collision.

[Pup]

There's not really. They're all wearing helmets you can buy off the shelf at a local ski shop. Granted, some helmets on those shelves are better than others. The US downhill team are wearing these new ones, which just came out...

http://www.pocsports.com/en/product/165 ... orbic-comp

While the snowboarders were wearing helmets similar to this...

http://www.pocsports.com/en/product/122 ... untry-mips

Apart from being updated, the big difference in the downhill helmet is the added front protection needed for repeatedly hitting the gates. That's a new thing, and I don't know if the US team are the only ones with it or not.

I don't know the helmet in the photo below, but it doesn't look like it has a MIPS shell; nor does it look like it's EPP foam, so it's probably not the most up to date technologically.

[Shakeman]

Not official news but FormerF1doc's latest essay on the Bild report.

http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/0 ... nking-now/

I'm sure he's right, if there was good news we'd have been told something.