Schumacher ski accident, coma and recovery

[Manoah2u]

Not official news but FormerF1doc's latest essay on the Bild report.

http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/0 ... nking-now/

I'm sure he's right, if there was good news we'd have been told something.

i'm sorry but

....This obviously means that it all needs to be taken with a rather large grain of salt!

nothing new. except one may wonder why somebody seemingly professional as an ex-f1 doctor would publish
something that instantly can be thrown in the trashcan because it should be taken with a grain of salt.
need of attention?

It’s the public who largely made Michael the hero he is to so many

no, he did that with the right people around him. the public didn't get 7 WDC's, nor made him. Michael did that
himself.

if there has been a decision to effectively embargo all news, then I think this is somewhat unjust, unfair, and maybe even a strategic error

no, it's called respect for privacy. like any human being would enjoy and should be granted either way.

....confidentiality. This is normal – but so is a passing comment made by a staff member to a friend or family member

no that is not normal and a breach of confidentiality and doctor's oathes regarding privacy.
not to mention it's a contract breach of medical professionalism and can have severe penalties as a result, ranging
from a financial claim or a loss of job, degree and banning from medical industry. especially at a 'professional' place
as grenoble hospital, and the doctors involved.

I’m somewhat inclined to accord Bild’s latest output “there’s rarely smoke without fire”

first confirm it's tabloid rubbish then suddenly tabloids speak the truth?
a 'professional' doc is inclined to believe a tabloid story he read in what, the subway?

I’ve seen one article that implies

source or gtfo. pure subjectivity and wildman's guesses here.

I never fail to amaze myself with just how wordy i am . .

empty worded, yes. and while at it, let's push some feathers somewhere.

If my assumption is correct

based upon what? tabloid stuff? sure, let's take those words with an even larger grain of salt. bathsalt if you will.

It’s here that we need to think about the Bild report.

because bild is such a confidential and trustworthy report......

IF what Bild says is true (and I looked on their site summarily, but didn’t see where this was said)

really? let's assume bild speaks the truth? and there is no source nor any base to be found on their site? still post this idea as fact?

roughly 50% of these patients emerge

ah, the classic 50/50 percentage. either they do, either they don't. yes, professional.


sorry but this is a rediculous article and if this is really Gary Hartstein i'm actually shocked by the low level of respect and lack of professionalism in this article. even try to defend yourself by explaining you have buddies around you that 'know' about these cases? really? that sounds like elementary school stories.

sorry, no respect.

an ex F1 doctor basing his articles on bild tabloid stories? really?

I'm not putting Gary's medical profession at question here, nor his f1-time experience. but this 'report' baffles me.
pure tabloid nonesense.

[Shakeman]

I'm not putting Gary's medical profession at question here, nor his f1-time experience.

Oh but you are.

You are of course entitled to read his words anyway you like. Gary has been very measured in the past and the article was measured with caveats. It is his opinion and of course other opinions are available and pulling out quotes out of their context is more tabloid than anything he wrote.

I don't subscribe to the no news is good news given we know when the withdrawal of the drugs began, and the likely time taken for those drugs to exit his system, if Schumacher was OK (on the broadest possible sense) we would've been informed. It would've been a very positive outcome and the family could retain the privacy they need.

It is inevitable that the longer his condition remains undisclosed the more likely there are going to be leaks, lies and speculations in the press which may prove far more distressing and invasive to the family.

[Manoah2u]

I'm not putting Gary's medical profession at question here, nor his f1-time experience.

Oh but you are.

You are of course entitled to read his words anyway you like. Gary has been very measured in the past and the article was measured with caveats. It is his opinion and of course other opinions are available and pulling out quotes out of their context is more tabloid than anything he wrote.

I don't subscribe to the no news is good news given we know when the withdrawal of the drugs began, and the likely time taken for those drugs to exit his system, if Schumacher was OK (on the broadest possible sense) we would've been informed. It would've been a very positive outcome and the family could retain the privacy they need.

It is inevitable that the longer his condition remains undisclosed the more likely there are going to be leaks, lies and speculations in the press which may prove far more distressing and invasive to the family.

no i'm not, he has the driver's respect and has been involved for many years, he's working in belgium for years so his medical abilities aren't on discussion. I however do put a large question mark upon these articles because I fail to see how a medical professional could ever publish something like this. Quite frankly, it even makes me wonder whether this really is gary hartstein, but i assume if it weren't, the page would have been taken down already.

The article is full of assumptions that are made upon things that any observer can make exactly the same, and they're based upon tabloid stuff.

I was a bit hesitant and critical about the way the board initially handled any information about Schumacher but i've got to admit, it's better and more respectfull if only the official news published by sabine kehm is used as 'news'. This Gary Hartstein article is what anybody can put together, and because he is concidered a 'medical pro', his words weigh a lot heavier then mine or any reporter or blogger or whatever.

Next up gary's words will be twisted into headline articles reading F1 doctor states Schumacher has no hope or something like that. I can imagine such a thing from any 'general' newsreporter, your average blogger - but not from a medical professional.

#/end of rage on hartstein

just my 2cents.

[Petroltorque]

I think one has to put great store by Harstein's comments. Yes he does not have access to the medical records, but an experienced specialist can give an educated opinion . By educated I don't mean a copy and paste article off of Google but an opinion based on 30 years experience in the trauma field.

[Shakeman]

just my 2cents.

Why not go on twitter and put your points directly to him @former_f1doc. He has been very interactive with people asking questions. In fact right now others are taking him up on the speculation but others are happy that he is writing as a "vital point of reference."

Take a moment to read the rest of his blog and I think you'll get the impression that it's written for the right reasons.

[Holm86]

Several media is reporting that he has now cought a pneumonia as well. This story keeps getting darker.

[tristancliffe]

nothing new. except one may wonder why somebody seemingly professional as an ex-f1 doctor would publish
something that instantly can be thrown in the trashcan because it should be taken with a grain of salt.
need of attention?

Because he's trying to explain the rumours from a medical point of view, but he can't guarantee accuracy.

no, he did that with the right people around him. the public didn't get 7 WDC's, nor made him. Michael did that
himself.

Schumacher wouldn't have raced in F1 as it was without the public watching. He might have been a racing driver, but he wouldn't have been a worldwide celebrity without the public. It's quite a simple concept.

no, it's called respect for privacy. like any human being would enjoy and should be granted either way.

Taken out of context maybe, but in the context of the man being a hero, a public figure, then one could argue quite acceptably that the public should be kept updated now.

no that is not normal and a breach of confidentiality and doctor's oathes regarding privacy.
not to mention it's a contract breach of medical professionalism and can have severe penalties as a result, ranging
from a financial claim or a loss of job, degree and banning from medical industry. especially at a 'professional' place
as grenoble hospital, and the doctors involved.

But that doesn't stop it happened in every hospital and at every level when it comes to famous people. Right or wrong is not what was being judged in that sentence.

first confirm it's tabloid rubbish then suddenly tabloids speak the truth?
a 'professional' doc is inclined to believe a tabloid story he read in what, the subway?

Somewhat inclined. Two important words that change the meaning.

source or gtfo. pure subjectivity and wildman's guesses here.

He doesn't need to cite sources all the time. We've all seen lots of websites with rumours. This isn't a peer reviewed scientific paper, or even an A-Levels exam submission.

empty worded, yes. and while at it, let's push some feathers somewhere.

You really struggled at reading and comprehension at school, didn't you.

based upon what? tabloid stuff? sure, let's take those words with an even larger grain of salt. bathsalt if you will.

So now your castigating him for being vague on purpose?

because bild is such a confidential and trustworthy report......

He said think about. Not believe implicitly. Important words.

really? let's assume bild speaks the truth? and there is no source nor any base to be found on their site? still post this idea as fact?

He scanned a report, but had been told what it said already. As such he couldn't tell you which line the supposed comment was on. Not that it matters, because he's discussing the various options and possibilities.

ah, the classic 50/50 percentage. either they do, either they don't. yes, professional.

That's statistics for you though. Some do, some don't. Around 50%. Would be scientifically wrong to say 53.2%. And inaccurate to say 60:40.

[Pup]

Several media is reporting that he has now cought a pneumonia as well. This story keeps getting darker.

Bild now says that he's recovered from his bout of pneumonia.

http://thejudge13.com/2014/02/14/daily- ... Schumacher

[Pup]

You really struggled at reading and comprehension at school, didn't you.

Can we leave personal attacks out of this thread please?

[mcjamweasel]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... uries.html

As the camera was undamaged I can't see how it can have made any difference, unless it was screwed to his helmet, which is unlikely.

Or am I missing something?

[Maxion]

Or am I missing something?

Media grasping at straws for something fresh on the Schumacher story. They know people are still interested but they need some new information so that people will click on the headlines.

[WillerZ]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... uries.html

As the camera was undamaged I can't see how it can have made any difference, unless it was screwed to his helmet, which is unlikely.

Or am I missing something?

If the camera had been damaged it would be much less suspicious: it would imply that it had acted as a crumple zone of sorts.

I have asked some (bicycle) helmet manufacturers about attaching a camera; they say it voids the warranty if you attach anything to the helmet in any way.

I have also asked Contour and GoPro, two of the manufacturers of this kind of camera, what testing they have done to ensure that their helmet mounts are not reducing the head protection given by the helmet. GoPro say they haven't done any testing at all; Contour say they "design with safety in mind" but won't tell me anything specific about they testing that they do.

[kalinka]

To recover the video, it's enough that the microSD card survived the crash. The camera itself may broke into little pieces, but not necessary the memory card too. These cards are quite flexible and very lightweight , so it can survive a big crash. Even if the palstic cover and / or the contacts are damaged, it's enough to recover the memory chip itself to get the video files.
So I'm not sure that the camera isn't broken - maybe it's just a media interpretation because they were able to get the video off of it.

[stefan_]

[munudeges]

Schumacher is not completely without hope but I'm afraid it's become clear as time has worn on that the Michael Schumacher we all knew will never return.