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[Mr.G]

1) What influence has had the swap from superconductors to Li-ion battery

Im guessing you meant super capacitors?
(superconductors in that environment would be one hell of an achievement )

He probably meant super capacitors yeah:

http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2012/04/17/re ... apacitors/

For me it doesn't look like supercaps, more like some hydraulic design to bend the floor/diffusor part.

[bonjon1979]

Another one:

http://www.toilef1.com/IMG/jpg_Sans_titre_211.jpg

Can I ask a question about this photo? What could be glowing like that in there? Just the exhausts? Why wouldn't they be shrouded?

[Blackout]

Very odd. The Cateham has vertical exhaust pipes and the STR seem to have the same layout, so why would RBR chose a different and a classic layout for the exhausts? I dont think the thing that glows/burns in the pic is an exhast pipe. But I dont see what is it... that area which si located behind the radiator(s) should be empty in a 2014 car with vertical exhasut pipes.
Super capacitors?

[bonjon1979]

Yeah, it's odd. I just kind of accepted that it was something hot but didn't really think about it could be. Looking at it carefully, it does seem to low and far forwards to be a part of the exhaust.

[Mr.G]

Yeah, it's odd. I just kind of accepted that it was something hot but didn't really think about it could be. Looking at it carefully, it does seem to low and far forwards to be a part of the exhaust.

It looks like sunshine reflection on some metal surface...

[Owen.C93]

Yeah, it's odd. I just kind of accepted that it was something hot but didn't really think about it could be. Looking at it carefully, it does seem to low and far forwards to be a part of the exhaust.

It looks like sunshine reflection on some metal surface...

Looks a bit red in there.



And they know it.
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/sutt ... 31ja84.jpg

[tmoneyr007]

Yeah, it's odd. I just kind of accepted that it was something hot but didn't really think about it could be. Looking at it carefully, it does seem to low and far forwards to be a part of the exhaust.

It looks like sunshine reflection on some metal surface...

Shouldn't that side of the car be in the shadows? Look at the shadow from the front tires, how is the sun shining on the "outlet"?

[marcush.]

Everyone thinks it's a simply overheating problem, but that was never communicated. The visible problems are just small burn marks at the same point of both sidepods. And in this area is no cooler and normally no exhaust. So i would assume it is something electronic.

you are correct. it is not engine overheating that is the problem, but that heat radiated from the engine is frying the electronic controls and inverters that are located in a very small space. vents were created to try and keep these electronics cooler but didn't work. the units need to be positioned in a good airlflow. remember, even a 1o overheat can destroy electronics.
all that being said, the engine itself is causing problems, not in the mechanical workings, but in the electronic interface between the ers and the turbo. nothing to do with heat, but just incorrect programming.

10Kelvin is a lot ,but NOBODY would or could Position electronic parts somewhere a 10K too optimistic temperature would kill the component in 10minutes.
the logic here is 10K more in mean temperature is halving the lifetime of the component but there are some temperatures a component will simply be gone.so if your original design flirted with disaster anyways it is well possible a Little miscalculation on Peaks will burn capacitors ,melt pottings or introduce Tension inside components leading to sudden and early fail .
The engine compartment is not only an Environment of conductive and convective heat transfer you also see Radiant heat Transfer which might have a surprisingly big Impact from quite a distance- if a component does actually see the Emitter ...this may well be the case for Body Panels -but there are simple yet effective fixes to this -Teams resorting to putting wet towels on the sidepods to prevent blistering paint is the worst make do.

-looking at the Pictures above with the Joint line of sidepod and floor gaping in the areaof the fabricated duct it Looks like the floor has already had its dose of overheating ...-

[Mr.G]

Yeah, it's odd. I just kind of accepted that it was something hot but didn't really think about it could be. Looking at it carefully, it does seem to low and far forwards to be a part of the exhaust.

It looks like sunshine reflection on some metal surface...

Shouldn't that side of the car be in the shadows? Look at the shadow from the front tires, how is the sun shining on the "outlet"?

I think it's reflection from the inner wall of the outlet. And part of the light illuminate the bottom and further inside.

[bonjon1979]

Sun is in completely the wrong place to be a reflection and material looks to Matt. Personally, not buying that. I think it's something from within

[Mr.G]

Sun is in completely the wrong place to be a reflection and material looks to Matt. Personally, not buying that. I think it's something from within

If it was such hot, floor and side pod cover will be burned, mainly the floor.

[bonjon1979]

Sun is in completely the wrong place to be a reflection and material looks to Matt. Personally, not buying that. I think it's something from within

If it was such hot, floor and side pod cover will be burned, mainly the floor.

It looks to me like the reason why they built an exhaust that protrudes a couple of inches out from the sidepod and angled up from the floor is precisely to prevent the floor and sidepod getting burnt. Otherwise, why not just cut a hole in the sidepod and be done with it.

I'm not suggesting anything conspiratorial here by the way, I'm just curious and while I don't think i have the answer, I'm yet to be convinced by anything else. Doesn't mean you're wrong though, just I don't agree with you!

[Lazy]

I assumed it was something burning.

[Neno]

it's exaust manifold
example 0:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh67yhZh21U

[djos]

I assumed it was something burning.

IMO these "ports" are a hastily added vent for the battery box so when the LiOn batteries catch fire, they won't burn the car to the ground.