OMG - Oh My, Greenwashing.

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Sebp wrote:We buy tons of stuff every year that someone else around has risked their life to produce in exchange for f*ck all.
exactly. talking about F1 needing to get greener whilst boats carrying containers from china to whatever country pollutes the air like insane, oil tankers, cruise ships, not to mention the amount of fuel tanks need to operate, and the amount of fuel that gets wasted.

thousands of airplanes flying every single day from destiny to destiny, dumping loads of kerosine just before landing,
and people discuss about the tiny amount of fuel that f1 cars burn over a year? it's rediculous.

sure, if you look at the facts, you can cut down perhaps half of the amount of fuel f1 burns throughout an entire year,
and as such, will make a difference.

that amount though goes all through the drain when a supertanker or containership has a stronger wind to sail, or has
to steer away from potential pirate threat.

your average containership consumes 200 tons of fuel A DAY.
The Emma Mearsk burns 14,000 l of heavy fuel oil per HOUR.
roughly said, that's 120 gallons per mile = 454 litres per 1.61 km = 282 L per km.
(0.25 lbs/hp/hr, 25,000 pounds per hour, 7lbs/gallon, 3600 gallons per burned per hour,
cruise speed 25 knots or 28.75mph. +/- 30mph = 3600 gallons per 30miles.)
and that's without mentioning these ships run on [supercheap] bunker fuel, which is nearly as thick as asphalt
and needs extreme heating to be used.

if you compare that, a containership burns 4330 litres of extremely dirty bunker fuel over 15 km, while your average modern economy car burns just 1 litre of 'clean' gasoline. puts some perspective to that.

16 of the world’s largest ships can produce as much lung-clogging sulphur pollution as all the world’s cars.
they burn the cheapest, filthiest, high-sulphur fuel: the thick residues left behind in refineries after the lighter liquids have been taken. The stuff nobody on land is allowed to use.

and i'm not even talking about the not too few (talking millions here) cancerous results from the highly toxic bunker fuel that pollutes.
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WhiteBlue wrote:Hair splitting again? The new engines will not be quiet! And less fuel use does not mean less power. You can increase the efficiency, use less fuel and have more power at the same time. It is easy for an engineer to see how it is done. And the fact that all teams supported the new engines in the December vote of the F1 commission is proof that the vast majority of the F1 professionals support the move for fuel efficiency. Only uninformed people and those with an agenda deny this.
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So for you guys to mentally prepare people about EVs or going greener is not important....


It´s always the same, any time I read someone criticizing 2014 engines they always say the same.... F1 is not here to save the world.... what F1 do is a small part of the problem.... F1 should never care about pollution, saving fuel, etc....


And what about mentally preparing people about the importancy of going greener?

F1 is not supposed to save the world, that´s obvious, but F1 is a pretty good example for people, a good starting point to start changing people´s mind about EV´s and hybrids

And reading forums, I think we do need a lot of efforts to change people´s mind about EV´s and Hybrids :roll:




Any reason the biggest beasts you can buy right now (LaFerrari, McLaren P1...) are hybrids? They don´t have any rule saying their flagships have to be hybrids, but they are....


Another question for those who critizice F1 drivers have to take care of the fuel consumption.... Where did you be in the 80´s? Fuel consumption is not a problem because of this seasson rules, it´s a problem for any turbo engine, at least while you try tu push it as hard as possible...

Timecode 0:40
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JIXPqgwQHk#t=46[/youtube]

So taking care of the fuel consumption is not weird, actually it´s not even new for F1...

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Andres125sx wrote:Any reason the biggest beasts you can buy right now (LaFerrari, McLaren P1...) are hybrids? They don´t have any rule saying their flagships have to be hybrids, but they are...
fleet average, super credits, penalty payments, Targets for smaller manufacturers
http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/tran ... dex_en.htm
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If we are talking about efficiency in cars - why the overwhelming amount of soft roaders that are tall, heavy and generally not very optimised for fuel efficiency? SO many crappy X5/Q7/Range rover/ wannabe SUV style cars - they are crap.
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Blanchimont wrote:
Andres125sx wrote:Any reason the biggest beasts you can buy right now (LaFerrari, McLaren P1...) are hybrids? They don´t have any rule saying their flagships have to be hybrids, but they are...
fleet average, super credits, penalty payments, Targets for smaller manufacturers
http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/tran ... dex_en.htm
Independent manufacturers which sell fewer than 10,000 vehicles per year and which cannot or do not wish to join a pool can propose their own emissions reduction target which is subject to approval by the Commission. The Commission decides on the basis of a set of agreed criteria which include the manufacturer's emissions reduction potential.
Manufacturers selling between 10,000 and 300,000 cars per year can apply for a fixed target of a 25% reduction from their 2007 average emissions.
They don´t need to apply the regulated limits, they only need to make a reduction of their average, and that´s fairly easy. They don´t need to build hybrids to reduce the emissions.


They can improve their engines efficiency (what they do anycase and probably is enough to comply with the rules) but if they still need to build hybrids as an imposition to comply with the regulations, then they can do it on any of his cars, there´s no need to do it with their flagship