Wait, I am well composed, nice, intelligent... most of the time. For the rest - I learned that I shouldn't throw things that can break long ago.Ciro Pabón wrote:I can imagine how Igniis must be when enraged.
Milda should probably get
All right, back to JPM.jgredline wrote:Common guys, lets get back on topic...This thread is on JPM
... How soon before Juan Montoya wins a NASCAR oval race -- either Busch Series or Nextel Cup?
Dave Rodman: Obviously, there is no way it's going to be as seemingly easy as the one in Mexico was. But the guy proved how much sheer talent he has -- though his stock car racing judgment just as obviously needs work.
David Caraviello: Mexico seemed like the right place at the right time. You just had this feeling he was going to break through there. As for ovals, I still think his best chance might be on a plate track, where he's been able to hold his own a little.
Joe Menzer: None of 'em are easy. But I have a sneaking suspicion that he's going to win his first at an oval sooner rather than later. Maybe he'll bump somebody out of the way at one of the short tracks -- although I think he'll struggle at first, at Bristol.
David Caraviello: I think he'll get overwhelmed at Bristol. He's never seen anything like that.
Dave Rodman: On ovals, the margin for error is virtually nil, and the capacity for making enemies is limitless. He did not make a friend of Scottie Sunday.
Joe Menzer: And that's one of his teammates! The whole problem with that, of course, is that he had the best car and would have won anyway. He could have done it cleanly if he had just been a little more patient.
Dave Rodman: Precisely.
David Caraviello: Uh, Dave, he won't have to worry about seeing Scott Pruett at the front in an oval race.
Dave Rodman: Exactly. That, of course, was in the back of my mind. Juan reportedly takes no prisoners and in this case, it's too bad one ill-advised move wiped out a lot of good memories of a fantastic day.
Joe Menzer: He won't have to worry about seeing Pruett at the front on an oval -- but he will have to worry about seeing him back at the Ganassi shop!
Dave Rodman: They issued statements and I'd say the hatchet is officially buried. It's another one of those "heat of the moment" deals.
David Caraviello: Am I the only one who thought Pruett caused the wreck? To me, Montoya clearly had the inside position, and Pruett came in on him.
Joe Menzer: Even Montoya doesn't think Pruett caused the wreck!
Dave Rodman: If Montoya were beyond his rear wheel David, that argument would have more merit. But Montoya speared him in the back corner of the right rear quarter panel -- and barely damaged it.
David Caraviello: But seriously, watch the replay -- readily available on NASCAR.com -- again. Montoya has the inside position. His nose is inside Pruett's back bumper. Scott pinches him into the corner.
Joe Menzer: He just needed to exercise more patience, and couldn't. That's why he'll have troubles at Bristol, at least until he learns that.
Dave Rodman: As Denny Hamlin said, clearly "overzealous." He was caught up in the moment -- and you could argue he should have been. I don't think I've seen anyone drive by a competitive car in the middle of Turns 7 and 8 on the inside in three years.
Joe Menzer: You know what, though? They hired him to win races and he has done it in other leagues precisely because of his aggressive, take-no-prisoners style. You can't easily tell or teach a guy to hold back on that.
Dave Rodman: Good point, Joe.
Joe Menzer: It's such a part of what makes him so good.
David Caraviello: Sorry, but the way I've always seen it is, you get inside the guy at the corner, the position is yours. I'm still wondering what the fuss was.
Dave Rodman: I hated to see Brad Parrott so torn up. That kid puts his heart and soul into his deal -- and that was the most heart-rending, honest assessment of pain I've seen from a victor -- maybe ever. It looked like he and Pruett's guys were almost gonna come to blows before the broadcast ended -- and they DO have to race together -- every week!
Joe Menzer: If they hadn't been teammates, there probably wouldn't have been that much of a fuss over it. There might have been some squawking, sure -- but not as much as there has been.
Dave Rodman: Probably would have been a fistfight.
Joe Menzer: It all makes for great NASCAR theater, though.
David Caraviello: Everybody makes it seem like he deliberately punted the guy. "Lowdown, dirty driving," or whatever Pruett called it, it was not. And of course, more fodder for the conspiracy theorists.
Dave Rodman: David, we could spend the rest of Smack arguing that point -- five percent past someone does not constitute a pass, to me. Harpoon job, maybe.
Joe Menzer: Are you two going to fistfight?
David Caraviello: Inside position is inside position. You have it or you don't.
Dave Rodman: And he didn't.
Joe Menzer: Break it up, you two!
Dave Rodman: Nor is giving up five percent a reason to give up the corner. If you look at when Montoya passed Biffle in the same place a few laps earlier, he was inside him sooner, and further. Biff wisely gave it up.
Joe Menzer: I'm sensing this is going to be Gerald Henderson-Tyler Hansbrough all over again!
Dave Rodman: If Pruett came down on him with his door or wheel -- point made. It was his bumper, for God's sake.
Joe Menzer: I think you two need to go to decaf!
David Caraviello: I don't care how much it was. He got there first. What is this, baseball with all these ridiculous unwritten rules?
Dave Rodman: This is NASCAR. He got to Victory Lane -- end of story. ...
AmenDaveKillens wrote:As someone who is a dedicated fan of JPM, I'm very pleased at his efforts so far. He's shown great patience and determination in learning this totally new culture and form of racing.
At Mexico, he was without any doubt, the class of the field and really did put on a clinic on road racing. Even the imported road race specialists like Pruett, Ron fellows, and Boris Said could only follow in humble trail to a great performance by Montoya. Yea, it was a rough pass, but heck, I just watched a much more brutal encounter at the last lap of Sebrong in the GP2 cars, where a Ferrari played very rough with a faster Porsche. And Pruett, what did you expect from a much quicker car on your tail? Especially in NASCAR where bumping and banging is practically encouraged?
I've been exposed to NASCAR racing and it's fans to have a pretty good idea of it's culture. Notwithstanding that many I know are very nice, upstanding people, the great majority of NASCAR fans are typical rednecks, with all the trappings of racism, bigotry, ignorance, a pickup truck, rifle rack, an engine block for a coffee table, and where you share your bed with a dog or three.
Ciro, it pains me to see you blow a gasket, because you know all these things, I need to email you a few cyber valium.
Anyways, at the Atlanta race JPM ran a more than respectable pace, and was right up there with the best. Watch out redneckland, he's going to win one soon.