Red Bull RB10 Renault

[dren]

I wonder if they went too small with their radiators. Internal packaging doesn't look that much tighter than anyone else.

[mrluke]

Its ludicrous to think that they could just knock up a new rear end in the short time since the first test. They probably have to move components around altering the whole architecture of the rear. They have to design, test and then build a new solution. This takes a long time, it's not going to happen in the space of three - four weeks. Instead, they're trying to make do with what they've got while putting in the hours to develop a solution. That's how I read it, rather than stubbornness on Newey's part.

redesign time should not be a problem, they have what 500 staff? Im sure they could force 7 day working, if not double shifts. You are easily looking at 500 people, 7 days a week for 10 hrs a day, thats 35,000 man hours.

The limiting factor is going to be time for curing the new CF. Even so, surprised to see essentially 0 changes to the red bull that arrived for day 1 at Jerez.

[myurr]

Its ludicrous to think that they could just knock up a new rear end in the short time since the first test. They probably have to move components around altering the whole architecture of the rear. They have to design, test and then build a new solution. This takes a long time, it's not going to happen in the space of three - four weeks. Instead, they're trying to make do with what they've got while putting in the hours to develop a solution. That's how I read it, rather than stubbornness on Newey's part.

Yet Mercedes are trying out various different cooling packages, and this on a car that essentially works. It's ludicrous to think that a solution couldn't be found if they said to hell with optimal aero, let's just get some miles on this thing.

[f1rules]

im sorry but rb do seem a bit arrogant not wanting to cut open, or make a new side pod layout which is not so slim at the rear, they could even go the mercedes route, which they used themselfes for years, and have a big outlet and the end of the engine cover, but noooo, no changes in bodywork!

[Shakeman]

Its ludicrous to think that they could just knock up a new rear end in the short time since the first test. They probably have to move components around altering the whole architecture of the rear. They have to design, test and then build a new solution. This takes a long time, it's not going to happen in the space of three - four weeks. Instead, they're trying to make do with what they've got while putting in the hours to develop a solution. That's how I read it, rather than stubbornness on Newey's part.

I have to agree.

The RB issues are a level above a McLaren lemon that is able to be developed into a competitive vehicle by 2/3 of the season, the RB simply does not work at this time.

The only thing keeping RB in the title hunt at this stage are double points races at the end of the season.

I expect Merc and Ferrari teams will be so far ahead in the understanding and development of their cars by the Euro season that RB will be focussing on 2015.

[danielk]

I just cannot write red bull off this year. They had a car last year which was so much more superior last year. Yes allot has been changed but they had an understanding of things much more than any other team. That understanding doesnt just go puff. Once they get on top of the Overheating they indeed will be close to the front of the grid, the only limiting factor is renault, how good is the engine once it can run. Engine freeze is tomorrow..............

[el-Magico]

@Danielk, blown-diffusor gone... which contributed a lot to RB's and Vettel success..

[Shakeman]

im sorry but rb do seem a bit arrogant not wanting to cut open, or make a new side pod layout which is not so slim at the rear, they could even go the mercedes route, which they used themselfes for years, and have a big outlet and the end of the engine cover, but noooo, no changes in bodywork!

It's probably because the issues are so fundamental that easy changes to the bodywork won't make the slightest difference otherwise they would've done it already.

The changes necessary probably require the best part of a whole new car and that isn't going to be possible in a few weeks despite the tremendous funds and facilities at RB's disposal.

It won't be arrogance just not a lot of choice other than to carry on until RB10 v2 arrives.

[Sebp]

I just cannot write red bull off this year. They had a car last year which was so much more superior last year. Yes allot has been changed but they had an understanding of things much more than any other team. That understanding doesnt just go puff. Once they get on top of the Overheating they indeed will be close to the front of the grid, the only limiting factor is renault, how good is the engine once it can run. Engine freeze is tomorrow..............

Hm dunno, there are plenty of examples from the past where teams went from hero to zero.

i.e.:
Lotus 80

[Shakeman]

I just cannot write red bull off this year. They had a car last year which was so much more superior last year. Yes allot has been changed but they had an understanding of things much more than any other team. That understanding doesnt just go puff. Once they get on top of the Overheating they indeed will be close to the front of the grid, the only limiting factor is renault, how good is the engine once it can run. Engine freeze is tomorrow..............

It looks like they're paying the price for last year's dominance which was flattered by other teams focussing on this year early.

They may not be able to get on top of overheating or vibration without a fundamental redesign. I only say that because things do not appear to be improving all that much and there are some incredibly clever and experienced people there.

If it could be done they surely would've already fixed it.

[foxmulder_ms]

Frankly, I think it is little to do with RB but Renault. All other Renault cars has been abysmal so far.

[Owen.C93]

Rake is well above the wheel rim.

I believe there are some tiny strakes/VGs in the middle of the diffuser after the plank.

[dren]

The way their diffuser opens at the edges makes it look even higher than it is.

[Owen.C93]

Foot plate is standard I believe.

[dren]

Foot plate is standard I believe.

Yes, it is. But like I said, the way it opens at the sides makes it look higher than it is. That doesn't mean it still isn't high at the rear.