Mercedes AMG F1 W05

[Caerdroia]

A ferrari video but relevant to the discussion about Merc's fuel. They ran a test using their usual race fuel and then normal road fuel. Rough estimations were road fuel was 1 second a lap slower, with problems with the pickup. Alonso says he felt the power was the same, and that the pickup problems could at least partly be solved with the engine maps.

[atlantis]

A ferrari video but relevant to the discussion about Merc's fuel. They ran a test using their usual race fuel and then normal road fuel. Rough estimations were road fuel was 1 second a lap slower, with problems with the pickup. Alonso says he felt the power was the same, and that the pickup problems could at least partly be solved with the engine maps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5jei8Y19vI

Isn't it an old video?

[Shakeman]

An F1 car can be run on gas from your local neighbourhood pump, so I'm not expecting too much "magic" between fuels.

Not sure why this got a down vote because...



Edit, bugger someone beat me to it. That'll teach me for not refreshing.

[Shakeman]

A ferrari video but relevant to the discussion about Merc's fuel. They ran a test using their usual race fuel and then normal road fuel. Rough estimations were road fuel was 1 second a lap slower, with problems with the pickup. Alonso says he felt the power was the same, and that the pickup problems could at least partly be solved with the engine maps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5jei8Y19vI

Isn't it an old video?

Does it matter that it is an old video?

There maybe a difference between road fuel and racing fuel but there is unlikely to be that difference between racing fuels from different manufacturers. If there is then Petronas has a big lead.

[De Jokke]

I read some comments about that the W05 hasn't got a weak spot but I'm afraid we've already seen it: wet track.
As the car is more than a sec. clear in dry weather, it's all been whiped out in wet weather. How come? Any one any ideas? Can they fix that?

[atlantis]

A ferrari video but relevant to the discussion about Merc's fuel. They ran a test using their usual race fuel and then normal road fuel. Rough estimations were road fuel was 1 second a lap slower, with problems with the pickup. Alonso says he felt the power was the same, and that the pickup problems could at least partly be solved with the engine maps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5jei8Y19vI

Isn't it an old video?

Does it matter that it is an old video?

There maybe a difference between road fuel and racing fuel but there is unlikely to be that difference between racing fuels from different manufacturers. If there is then Petronas has a big lead.

Absolutely no. I just thought it was relevant to the new engines regulations

[astracrazy]

I read some comments about that the W05 hasn't got a weak spot but I'm afraid we've already seen it: wet track.
As the car is more than a sec. clear in dry weather, it's all been whiped out in wet weather. How come? Any one any ideas? Can they fix that?

I don't think your right there. Your looking at the wet quali's i guess? But in dry quali it wasn't too different, they werent more than a sec clear - only in the race.

Mercs strength is race pace so i would expect them to pull away in a wet race too.

We will just have to wait and see

[De Jokke]

I read some comments about that the W05 hasn't got a weak spot but I'm afraid we've already seen it: wet track.
As the car is more than a sec. clear in dry weather, it's all been whiped out in wet weather. How come? Any one any ideas? Can they fix that?

I don't think your right there. Your looking at the wet quali's i guess? But in dry quali it wasn't too different, they werent more than a sec clear - only in the race.

Mercs strength is race pace so i would expect them to pull away in a wet race too.

We will just have to wait and see

Indeed, the Quali's. I hope you're right but I'm not too sure. In dry we're fast and in the race too. In wet we're slow (compared to dry pace) and I assume this will continue in the race too. Seems like the car is so gentle on the tyres in dry weather, maybe it can't heat them enough in wet weather? Hence the performance drop of almost a sec. ?

[Shakeman]

Sky Sports F1 2014: How Mercedes become so strong in 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuBB2F6IutQ

Interesting but is that the whole reason Merc are 1 second up the road?

With all that extra power they've also managed to transmit that through the tyres into the road without turning the tyres into smoking hoops. The issues Merc had last year with tyres is now gone (notwithstanding the tyres are more durable) and they appear to be better or at least as good as other teams on tyre life and performance. Can anyone see what they've done?

The car also appears to be pretty good in the fast corners too so their aero is also not letting them down either and it appears to be an 8 or 9 in most areas and it's the sum of its parts that is making the big difference.

I was watching the highlights of BAH again and noticed at the safety car restart from an onboard of one of the FIs that the two Merc just disappeared in seconds. It was a phenomenal view of their dominance.

[Godius]

Sky Sports F1 2014: How Mercedes become so strong in 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuBB2F6IutQ

I was watching the highlights of BAH again and noticed at the safety car restart from an onboard of one of the FIs that the two Merc just disappeared in seconds. It was a phenomenal view of their dominance.

The FI's were already on 7 laps old tires. Merc extended their first stint and second stint a bit and changed tires around the start of the SC period. That plays a small role as well.

[Emerson.F]

Sky Sports F1 2014: How Mercedes become so strong in 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuBB2F6IutQ

Interesting but is that the whole reason Merc are 1 second up the road?

With all that extra power they've also managed to transmit that through the tyres into the road without turning the tyres into smoking hoops. The issues Merc had last year with tyres is now gone (notwithstanding the tyres are more durable) and they appear to be better or at least as good as other teams on tyre life and performance. Can anyone see what they've done?

The car also appears to be pretty good in the fast corners too so their aero is also not letting them down either and it appears to be an 8 or 9 in most areas and it's the sum of its parts that is making the big difference.

I was watching the highlights of BAH again and noticed at the safety car restart from an onboard of one of the FIs that the two Merc just disappeared in seconds. It was a phenomenal view of their dominance.

The W04 was very front limited ever since the W02. They changed the weight balance and rear suspension was also changed. The W05 is far less front end limited and is much better balanced.

[deschrijver]

I saw the word tires here and I directly tought about the 1000km tire test the merc's had in 2013.
Mayby 1 of the advantages, they have this year for tuning there chassis and set-up of the 2014 car.

[beelsebob]

I read some comments about that the W05 hasn't got a weak spot but I'm afraid we've already seen it: wet track.
As the car is more than a sec. clear in dry weather, it's all been whiped out in wet weather. How come? Any one any ideas? Can they fix that?

More specifically, it's weak spot is turn in. It appears to have a fairly weak front end, especially in low speed corners.

[prince]

I read some comments about that the W05 hasn't got a weak spot but I'm afraid we've already seen it: wet track.
As the car is more than a sec. clear in dry weather, it's all been whiped out in wet weather. How come? Any one any ideas? Can they fix that?

More specifically, it's weak spot is turn in. It appears to have a fairly weak front end, especially in low speed corners.

Wasn't that their strength last year, slow corners? You reckon they have lost it with W05?

[beelsebob]

I read some comments about that the W05 hasn't got a weak spot but I'm afraid we've already seen it: wet track.
As the car is more than a sec. clear in dry weather, it's all been whiped out in wet weather. How come? Any one any ideas? Can they fix that?

More specifically, it's weak spot is turn in. It appears to have a fairly weak front end, especially in low speed corners.

Wasn't that their strength last year, slow corners? You reckon they have lost it with W05?

Their strength last year was exiting slow corners. They still appear to be fairly good at that, but their entry to them is terrible. The car just does not want to turn in.