2014 Monaco Grand Prix

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Some HD shots from yesterday.
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Spotted these pictures in the W05 thread and just had to repost these. Such stunning pictures of a stunning car. I love Monaco! Wish I could be there...

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Pierce89 wrote:I was of the understanding that 2014 had the hardest compounds Pirelli have used.
I think it's more like this in terms of softness: 2013 > 2012 > 2014 > 2011.
Tires may seem harder this year because cars are so slow they don't really put any stress into them. We had it the other way round in 2013. Cars got much faster compared to 2012 along with even softer tires resulted in cars chewing them up.

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Juzh wrote:
Pierce89 wrote:I was of the understanding that 2014 had the hardest compounds Pirelli have used.
I think it's more like this in terms of softness: 2013 > 2012 > 2014 > 2011.
Tires may seem harder this year because cars are so slow they don't really put any stress into them. We had it the other way round in 2013. Cars got much faster compared to 2012 along with even softer tires resulted in cars chewing them up.
Pirelli just need to sort it out for next year. But they have made this years tires with a safety margin in mind. Because off the lack of data from the Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari. But these have also made this tires harder with the rapid development during this year in the back of their mind. If teams find 2s or 3s during the season they might get in the right window off-operatin during the last few races of the season. I haven't heard Red Bull or Mercedes complain about the tires so the teams with low downforce are getting punished extra hard because they can generate the same energy as the top guys.
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Phil wrote:Spotted these pictures in the W05 thread and just had to repost these. Such stunning pictures of a stunning car. I love Monaco! Wish I could be there...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 014-41.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 2014-1.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 2014-6.jpg
These pictures are stunning and totally agree Monaco is a pretty special place and great when the F1 boys are in town

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Juzh wrote:...cars are so slow...
We're talking about Formula 1 right? What percentage are they slower compared to how much slower, say, a high-performance road car is? Can you actually tell the difference without a side-by-side comparison? There may be several reasons why they're slightly less fast: different tyres, less downforce, heavier cars, new generation of regulations. I don't really see the significance of comparing them. How is it any different from other changes that were deliberately meant to slow the cars down for safety reasons? It just seems like another "lets complain about how F1 is going down the toilet" (boring/ugly/quiet) argument.

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ChrisDanger wrote:
Juzh wrote:...cars are so slow...
We're talking about Formula 1 right? What percentage are they slower compared to how much slower, say, a high-performance road car is?
The people who are moaning about F1 being slower have never driven an F1 car. They have no idea about how difficult an F1 car is to drive.

People moan about change because it is different. It's different and therefore scary.

"Ooh, F1 is soooo slow these days!" Fine, you don't like F1 today? Then how about you --- off and watch something else?

You don't care about F1's relative performance compared to last year - you care about change. And people who are hung up on change will never be happy...
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You're wrong, ppl are combining that GP2 cars are almost as fast as an F1 car and that the racing is being held back largely by the tires - we used to have flat out sprint races and now the LMP cars race harder between pits tops than F1 cars do!

Personally I'm a fan of the new engine regs, aside from the FFM and lower noise levels, imo the tires need to be made faster!
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Eh. Good racing is good racing. F1 is not worse when it rains and the cars are 15s slower. Quite often it's better. Put less talented drivers in the faster 2010 cars and we wouldn't have better racing.

I'm curious how this fealty to ever-increasing speed should have been implemented. In 1986, when the cars were putting out 1300 HP and some of those cars held lap records for two decades. Should we have kept pushing faster? Should we be at 1800 HP by now? Should we have ignored Senna's death and demanded another 3 tenths? Should we keep pushing even when we have a season when there is not a single on-track pass? I'm just curious under what circumstances it's acceptable to not go faster?

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Daniel on FIRE in P3, only 5/100ths off Lewis for 2nd fastest!

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I think the Mercs are heavy, Ferrari are unusually close.

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johnsonwax wrote: Should we have ignored Senna's death and demanded another 3 tenths? Should we keep pushing even when we have a season when there is not a single on-track pass? I'm just curious under what circumstances it's acceptable to not go faster?
Senna's death had nothing to do with the engine producing too much HP..

And it isn't necassaraly about going faster, it is about not going slower...

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Just_a_fan wrote:
ChrisDanger wrote:
Juzh wrote:...cars are so slow...
We're talking about Formula 1 right? What percentage are they slower compared to how much slower, say, a high-performance road car is?
The people who are moaning about F1 being slower have never driven an F1 car. They have no idea about how difficult an F1 car is to drive.

People moan about change because it is different. It's different and therefore scary.

"Ooh, F1 is soooo slow these days!" Fine, you don't like F1 today? Then how about you --- off and watch something else?

You don't care about F1's relative performance compared to last year - you care about change. And people who are hung up on change will never be happy...

Most of the people are complaining are just Vettel fans, so dont worry.
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Ill be bold and say ROS/RIC/HAM for later, I think there'll be some yellow flag madness in Q3.
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I'm going to be bolder!

RIC/HAM/ROS

and I'm calling the race in the same order. :)
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