wtf? Red Bull "made up" a chassis problem. An incorrect theory I can handle, accusing someone based on zero evidence is another issue. Unless you can provide that, it's time to let it go.iotar__ wrote: Pity we won't have a chance to learn how much made up chassis problems cost him in tenths of a second not morale.
On the contrary:Cam wrote:wtf? Red Bull "made up" a chassis problem. An incorrect theory I can handle, accusing someone based on zero evidence is another issue. Unless you can provide that, it's time to let it go.iotar__ wrote: Pity we won't have a chance to learn how much made up chassis problems cost him in tenths of a second not morale.
Red Bull has confirmed that the German will get a different chassis for this weekend's Barcelona race, but in an interview on the team's website chief designer Rob Marshall said this was a routine move. "Sebastian will get a new chassis for Barcelona, which was scheduled at the start of the season and then the next one will be for Dan at some time around Silverstone," he said.
iotar__ wrote: On the contrary:
1. They announced possible chassis problems (Marko) before checking purely based on Vettel's form.
2. There were no chassis problems found - if they were why don't you provide any evidence for it? Team announcement would be a good start.
Now why don't you go and downvote 2+2=4 or some other inconvenient reality
sorry math is inconvenient for you. Those darned numbers.
What about this: Vettel clearly states they decided after China "in case". The whole chassis swap deal in f1 in general is just a mental thing for the driver.Cam wrote:wtf? Red Bull "made up" a chassis problem. An incorrect theory I can handle, accusing someone based on zero evidence is another issue. Unless you can provide that, it's time to let it go.iotar__ wrote: Pity we won't have a chance to learn how much made up chassis problems cost him in tenths of a second not morale.
No you don't. Vettel did not in fact complain about the chassis at any point, and was pessimistic about the likelihood of changing it fixing anything.Cam wrote:What are you all trying to prove? Vettel is a liar? Red bull is lying? It was Horner on the grassy knoll? Newey faked the moon landing? What? You have a 4x F1 WDC complaining about a chassis and he's under-performing. The team swapped it, as per a scheduled event, for an old one.
Given that they didn't expect to find anything, and they indeed didn't, I'd say there's a high likelihood that there was no issue. It is of course not a guarantee.The team then stated they could not yet find any issues with the original chassis. So does that mean there was no issue, or just they haven't identified it yet?
looks like he did mention it, to the team. Just because his every word is not reported in the media, don't assume they are not discussing things internally. He even admitted it might be all in his head.Vettel wrote:"I think we concluded after China - where we were quite a bit behind - to change the chassis," he added.
"It is not a new chassis, it is an old one that we used for testing during the winter and we have some experience with it so it is more just to check rather than a problem with the other chassis.
"So we will try everything we can and just basically reset and start again. Obviously there is still a lot of work ahead of us, as I mentioned after the first couple of races maybe I am not as happy as I want to be, but it is a long process, a lot of things have changed and we need to be patient.
"It is not unusual to change chassis, normally when you change chassis you change to a new one, but we have decided to go to an old one just to make sure nothing is wrong. We are just changing the things that we can to have a reset and try again. We don't think there was anything wrong with the old chassis, but nevertheless we have decided to change."
So again, I ask, what are you all try to insinuate?"It's more a sanity check rather than a real problem with the other chassis," Vettel said. "So it's just to try everything we can, and basically reset and start again."
@iotar___ essentially accused Red Bull of making a story about a faulty chassis. I called him on it.Cam wrote:wtf? Red Bull "made up" a chassis problem. An incorrect theory I can handle, accusing someone based on zero evidence is another issue. Unless you can provide that, it's time to let it go.iotar__ wrote: Pity we won't have a chance to learn how much made up chassis problems cost him in tenths of a second not morale.
Then why are we having this conversation? I don't care either. I only care if someone makes an allegation with no evidence, that was my beef.beelsebob wrote:I at least was not asserting that red bull deliberately made up a chassis problem to hide his form. Only that he had poor form, and that red bull then spend a lot of publicity time telling the world (or at very least strongly implying to the world) that the chassis was the problem, only to discover that it wasn't.
I couldn't care less whether RedBull are trying to cover for Vettel or not frankly.
Then I think once again, we're violently agreeing. We need to stop doing this.Cam wrote:Then why are we having this conversation? I don't care either. I only care if someone makes an allegation with no evidence, that was my beef.beelsebob wrote:I at least was not asserting that red bull deliberately made up a chassis problem to hide his form. Only that he had poor form, and that red bull then spend a lot of publicity time telling the world (or at very least strongly implying to the world) that the chassis was the problem, only to discover that it wasn't.
I couldn't care less whether RedBull are trying to cover for Vettel or not frankly.
okay, back on topic.He was, of course, referring to the Torro Rosso lineup and distinguishing talent this way, instead of bringing in two new drivers at the same time. In that content, he's right, and that statement rings true across teams and sporting disciplines.Tost wrote:"If we have a skilled and fast driver, it is easier when you bring in a young super-talent".
Or basically, he's saying, Ricciardo is simply doing a better job at the moment. That's no small accomplishment.Tost wrote:"I expected him to be very competitive and comfortable in a very short space of time, so it has not been a surprise to me. Ricciardo gives very clear and detailed technical feedback, and so maybe he has just adapted to the circumstances more quickly than Vettel"
