2014 Austrian Grand Prix - Red Bull Ring

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Pit stop(s) decided the race??

Rosberg was the leader but they still gave the undercut to lewis. Lewis did a 1.12 instead of a 1.14. Need to look at the delta between Nico and Lewis just before and after the pis stop but I suspect Lewis may have even reduced it a bit.

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henra wrote:
SilverArrow10 wrote:It was the pit stops that won you that race Nico. Not saying the team did it on purpose they didn't they just screwed up. Good race though. =D>
Could you enlighten us, what a 0,5s faster pit stop would have changed?
When Rosberg came back on track he was > 2s in front of Hamilton.
Exactly.

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SilverArrow10 wrote:It was the pit stops that won you that race Nico. Not saying the team did it on purpose they didn't they just screwed up. Good race though. =D>
No. The gap between Rosberg and Hamilton after stops was always bigger than the difference in pit stop times.

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and people say Nico is lucky while it was Lewis who made mistakes in both Q3 laps yesterday...

Lewis had all the time after 2nd stop to close on Nico. He only managed to get in DRS range at the final lap! Nico managed his race very well....

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:
henra wrote:
SilverArrow10 wrote:It was the pit stops that won you that race Nico. Not saying the team did it on purpose they didn't they just screwed up. Good race though. =D>
Could you enlighten us, what a 0,5s faster pit stop would have changed?
When Rosberg came back on track he was > 2s in front of Hamilton.
Exactly.
Gladly, 0.9 on first stop, 1.0 in the second. Comes out 1.9 behind. Do the maths, with momentum on warmed up tires. great race though, get France back now we have Austria.
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Webber doing the interview :D

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Just seems moronic from Williams not to at least try to maintain the lead. Mercedes were clearly not going to be able to get past with ease given Williams straight line advantage, so why not make them work for it?

Pitting later than the opposition only meant there was zero chance of victory as opposed to at least some.

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Maybe they're worried about degradation? If they were more aggressive with pitstops, there is a chance of losing out to Alonso at the end.

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anzx wrote:And why do I think that Williams let win to the Mercedes?... They had such a bad pitstop timing, after second pitstop of Mercedes, they should try with SS tires on Bottas or Massa. Williams is probably not allowed to win against Mercedes because they are using their engines...
You clearly have no idea who Frank Williams is.

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:
henra wrote:
SilverArrow10 wrote:It was the pit stops that won you that race Nico. Not saying the team did it on purpose they didn't they just screwed up. Good race though. =D>
Could you enlighten us, what a 0,5s faster pit stop would have changed?
When Rosberg came back on track he was > 2s in front of Hamilton.
Exactly.
It's not a 0.5s faster stop that would have changed it - it's a 2 second faster stop that would have saved it. Lewis' second stop was 4 seconds.

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SilverArrow10 wrote: Gladly, 0.9 on first stop, 1.0 in the second. Comes out 1.9 behind. Do the maths, with momentum on warmed up tires. great race though, get France back now we have Austria.
If you're a Merc fan as your name implies, why do you always hate it when Nico wins?
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Pierce89 wrote:
SilverArrow10 wrote: Gladly, 0.9 on first stop, 1.0 in the second. Comes out 1.9 behind. Do the maths, with momentum on warmed up tires. great race though, get France back now we have Austria.
If you're a Merc fan as your name implies, why do you always hate it when Nico wins?
Who said there was hate here? He's not saying he dislike's Nico's win. He's saying Nico was handed the win by Lewis losing a lot of time in pit stops that Nico didn't.

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Atleast Ferrari upgrades worked, Allison has done good job for aeroupdates

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Good race by Hamilton but he has lost further ground and has only himself to blame for his dismal q3 on Saturday. This could've been an easy win for him. He didn't have the race pace advantage like he did in Montreal so Nico didn't really have a hard time keeping him at arms length out of DRS range.
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beelsebob wrote: It's not a 0.5s faster stop that would have changed it - it's a 2 second faster stop that would have saved it. Lewis' second stop was 4 seconds.
Ok, then he maybe lost 1s ( a normal good stop is 3s ish). Still he was more than 2s in front after the second stop. He would have ended up behind Rosberg anyway. That was my point. And with the lap time difference of 0,1 - 0,2s at best he wouldn't have been able to overtake in normal conditions.
Conclusio: He threw it away in Q3.
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