2014 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka

[smellybeard]

Wasnt the green flag the next flag position after the accident. I know its extremely close to the accident. But Jules was off the road way before that green flag. So he hadnt passed a green flag before he was able to resume racing speed. Double waved yellows before this point tell a driver slow down and be prepared to STOP. No way was he ever prepared to stop.

Absolutely and a tracking video posted earlier in the thread would confirm (if accurate) that he was going far too fast to stop and so had ignored the full meaning of double-yellow. That said, others made some bad decisions too.

[JimClarkFan]

The good news from those pictures I can see from the medics attending jukles is that there is no out ward signs of trauma. The helmet did its job.

I suspect his brain took a beating inside that skull, I expect the surgery was to relieve the pressure in his head from the swelling, hopefully there was limited internal bleeding.

He looks in remarkably good shape for the severity of that crash.

[SaveMeHollywood]

Video of the crash at 1:05

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=818_1412603603

Basically Bianchi was going too fast through the Dunlop kurve or maybe the Esses it's hard to tell; aqua-planed and crashed into and under the tractor while the tractor was reversing.

The impact was so strong the tractor actually got lifted off the ground while the airbox got torn clean off.

That is one very strong helmet.

[bdr529]

I just got a look at the video and I can't be believe he is still alive
he lifted that tractor up a good foot, and moved it over 4-5 feet, I work around these machines all day and I'v never seen anything like that
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but that part of the tractor is solid cast metal 2 to 3 inches thick, it's the counter weight and there's hardly a mark on it

[djos]

Video of the crash at 1:05

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=818_1412603603

Basically Bianchi was going too fast through the Dunlop kurve or maybe the Esses it's hard to tell; aqua-planed and crashed into and under the tractor while the tractor was reversing.

The impact was so strong the tractor actually got lifted off the ground while the airbox got torn clean off.

That is one very strong helmet.

It's just incredible no marshal's where killed!!!

[SaveMeHollywood]

I just got a look at the video and I can't be believe he is still alive
he lifted that tractor up a good foot, and moved it over 4-5 feet, I work around these machines all day and I'v never seen anything like that
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but that part of the tractor is solid cast metal 2 to 3 inches thick, it's the counter weight

With Tractor moving and a section of the barrier open (which Bianchi shot right through) I find it very unlikely there were Green flags here.

Bianchi seemed to be going way too fast even for Green Wet conditions.

[McLobby]

In slow motion, it seems even more terrifying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObadBsi1mlY

[Hail22]

In slow motion, it seems even more terrifying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObadBsi1mlY

Members of the community who are connected to members of the FIA, FoM and sponsors need to fully realise / understand how important it is for this incident to be heavily scruitinised and that there was a genuine requirement for the Safety car or red flag to be called after Sutils accident which may / may not have preventend Jules Bianchi' accident.

Also, why the hell is there a Green flag on station #12? It was meant to be double waved yellows from station #11 and #12 and Green at #13, something stinks from the FIA and I hope the police investigators get to the bottom of this.

[bdr529]

Also, why the hell is there a Green flag on station #12? It was meant to be double waved yellows from station #11 and #12 and Green at #13, something stinks from the FIA and I hope the police investigators get to the bottom of this.

You are not allowed to go back to racing speeds till you have passed the waving green flag, clearly he has lost control of his car before that. I really don't think any thing stinks here, just the outcome of this accident

"Yes, a green flag was waving, but know the whole story"
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/yes-a ... ole-story/

[Hail22]

Also, why the hell is there a Green flag on station #12? It was meant to be double waved yellows from station #11 and #12 and Green at #13, something stinks from the FIA and I hope the police investigators get to the bottom of this.

You are not allowed to go back to racing speeds till you have passed the waving green flag, clearly he has lost control of his car before that. I really don't think any thing stinks here, just the outcome of this accident

"Yes, a green flag was waving, but know the whole story"
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/yes-a ... ole-story/

Allow me to go into slightly more depth as I'm currently working, my argument is the marshal went originally from double waved yellows then when the tractor passed his box he went to green flags...logic suggests he should of went to a localised yellow flag. It's not the marshal's fault, its the FIAs fault as they should of maintained a "safe" zone by maintaining a single yellow "caution" flag.

The fact of the matter is that it was already too dark, in cricket umpires would of pulled the players into the sheds and request that the lights be turned on (unless its a 5 day test series which ends at 5pm local daylight savings time), my next question would be, Does anyone in the FIA / FoM do any form of light reading / monitoring and have a benchmark on when its "too dark" to race?

[void]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzRxlY6CcAAIgjS.jpg

http://cdn-4.motorsport.com/static/img/ ... 1-team.jpg

http://cdn-5.motorsport.com/static/img/ ... -after.jpg

http://cdn-3.motorsport.com/static/img/ ... -after.jpg

In the second picture, looks like the airbox still connected to something, maybe to the structure that protect the drivers head (sorry but I cannot remember the right name). Coud it prevent the crane hit Jules helmet on landing?

Edited: Answering my on question: on this picture http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/metho ... 1005171339 we can see there is no structure with the airbox.

[wesley123]

Members of the community who are connected to members of the FIA, FoM and sponsors need to fully realise / understand how important it is for this incident to be heavily scruitinised and that there was a genuine requirement for the Safety car or red flag to be called after Sutils accident which may / may not have preventend Jules Bianchi' accident.

There was absolutely no need for a red flag for Sutils crash, nor a safety car. Sutil's crash was pretty minor and the car, nor the crane removing the car were in an position where it would hinder, nor endanger, anyone.

[Hail22]

Members of the community who are connected to members of the FIA, FoM and sponsors need to fully realise / understand how important it is for this incident to be heavily scruitinised and that there was a genuine requirement for the Safety car or red flag to be called after Sutils accident which may / may not have preventend Jules Bianchi' accident.

There was absolutely no need for a red flag for Sutils crash, nor a safety car. Sutil's crash was pretty minor and the car, nor the crane removing the car were in an position where it would hinder, nor endanger, anyone.

How about the German Grand Prix when Sutil was parked on the main straight? No danger there to marshals or drivers despite Hamilton voicing his concern after the race?

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/241 ... -german-gp

So far the 2014 season hasn't been the FIA's ideal season with regards to promoting "safety".

[wesley123]

What does that incident has got to do with Bianchi's crash?

[Hail22]

What does that incident has got to do with Bianchi's crash?

A lot if you think about it, the FIA was in charge of that race as they were with the Japanese Grand Prix. They have consistently shown this year that their new "relaxed" attitude has compromised the overall safety of Formula 1 in general.

This goes to the heart of the FIA's lack of duty of care not only to the drivers but also the marshals, fans etc.

If they would red flag Silverstone due to the armcove being damaged, then surely the same or lesser (Safety car, yellow flags for the entire circuit like the Canadian GP) should be applied when a 4 tonne tractor goes onto a critical part of the circuit where there is minimal run-off, protection as well as poor weather / lighting conditions.