Should xpensive be banned? Vote on it

[J.A.W.]

G-B, you're not trying to emulate X, now - are you?

Dennis Hopper evidently felt that those 'freedom' themes needed another approach..

& as regards qualifications - look at Brabham & McLaren, Bruce did have a degree, but Jack did pretty well too..

(Edit: Sorry, corrected G-T to G-B)..

[Gaz.]

I do not know what happened with X and I dont care.

Just want to say that I used to be arround when he came in with his arrogant comments and was one of the things that made me go away (among many many others)..

Then I decided to ignore his remarks and recently I understood that his sense of humour is something he cant avoid.

In a tech forum he is not a necessity, in a chit chat forum he may be funny.

This stopped being a technical forum in any true sense long ago.

Consider this, there are no qualified technical moderators on this forum.

Qualified means they have an engineering degree and real world engineering experience in the relevant fields, and as such are highly qualified to speak on matters of technical engineering.

Vote with your feet then.

[SidSidney]

I don't really care about the individuals but I find it deeply ironic that this action occurs in the same week that Charlie Hebdo saw massive support for their stand on offending pretty much any kind of people they choose.

Permanently banning a guy with that degree of history over someone taking offence to something he said... well, you can draw the parallels to recent real world events yourself.

As Steve Hughes said: so what if you are offended?

http://youtu.be/fHMoDt3nSHs?t=3m20s

[wesley123]

This stopped being a technical forum in any true sense long ago.

Consider this, there are no qualified technical moderators on this forum.

Qualified means they have an engineering degree and real world engineering experience in the relevant fields, and as such are highly qualified to speak on matters of technical engineering.

Why would the moderators need to be qualified in a technical(relevant) field to moderate here? The moderators job isn't to see if everything is correct, because guess what, that isn't necessary to begin with.

Information doesn't need to be correct to have a good discussion, we learn from mistakes, we learn from errors and we learn from different views and experiences outside of our own biased views.

With that said, Turbo did contribute to the technical section a lot over the last year. You don't need to be a mathematician to know that 1+1=3

I also don't think your "This stopped being a technical forum" is a valid complaint when a thread like this exists, not all that technical if you ask me.

If it bothers you that much then why not take the initiative? Why do you not take the initiative and create technical threads? You are here and it is within yours, and every users' power to give such a direction to the forum.

[GitanesBlondes]

Why would the moderators need to be qualified in a technical(relevant) field to moderate here? The moderators job isn't to see if everything is correct, because guess what, that isn't necessary to begin with.

Information doesn't need to be correct to have a good discussion, we learn from mistakes, we learn from errors and we learn from different views and experiences outside of our own biased views.

They need to be qualified when it comes to the technical sections for a whole plethora of reasons that should be abundantly clear to everyone.

General chat is whatever.

[wesley123]

Like said, you don't need to be a mathematician to know that 1+1=3. Large technological knowledge isn't a requirement to moderate the forums since it's not the moderators job to say what is and isn't correct.

You don't need to be a chief aerodynamicist to know spam from a valid post or to know incorrect usage of votes or to know rules are being broken. The job does not involve knowledge about the subject, it involves babysitting it's members that do share knowledge.

[dans79]

Why would the moderators need to be qualified in a technical(relevant) field to moderate here? The moderators job isn't to see if everything is correct, because guess what, that isn't necessary to begin with.

Information doesn't need to be correct to have a good discussion, we learn from mistakes, we learn from errors and we learn from different views and experiences outside of our own biased views.

They need to be qualified when it comes to the technical sections for a whole plethora of reasons that should be abundantly clear to everyone. .

Name one........

[Nickel]

I don't really care about the individuals but I find it deeply ironic that this action occurs in the same week that Charlie Hebdo saw massive support for their stand on offending pretty much any kind of people they choose.

Permanently banning a guy with that degree of history over someone taking offence to something he said... well, you can draw the parallels to recent real world events yourself.

As Steve Hughes said: so what if you are offended?

http://youtu.be/fHMoDt3nSHs?t=3m20s

Gee wiz boss, I don't know if you thought this comparison through all the way...

On the one hand you have a publishing company in the setting of a Country governed by a set of laws and enshrined rights, one of which being free speech. Let's not delve too deeply into the details of what they published, but suffice to say it's in line with neo-nazis having a right in the same country to march for their twisted ideals. Free speech. All for it.

On the other hand, we have a private, members only internet forum with it's own laws and rights. They're easily accessed and it's fairly obvious that failure to follow them results in termination of membership.

I'll make a comparison which I feel is a bit more apt. If the artists of Charlie Hebdo walked into a mosque, they might be welcomed to attend a ceremony and learn about the religion. If they proceeded to show to Imam a picture of Mohamed doing some awful act, they would be thrown out in a heartbeat. Private institution, which therefore limits free speech. Outside, say what you want, but inside not so much.

Alternatively, take the olympics. No private sponsorship. You want in? Drop your sponsors. Private institutions can require pretty much whatever they want as a condition of membership. Don't like it? Beat it.

[hollus]

GB, you said that you've been here long enought to judge quality before and after, but under your name it says July 2013. I assume that you lurked just reading long before joining, but may I ask since when?

[Pierce89]

As far as I can tell some members think they or people they like don't have to abide by the rules the rest of us do.

The 'rest of the forum' and the mods have always abided by their own rules - whatever they are. It's why you see very little 'technical' discussion on F1'Technical' these days and why the people who used to provide it have long since lost interest and fallen by the wayside. Any attempted technical discussion is, at times, utterly laughable - and that's being polite.

You get mods reacting to perceived insults, demanding apologies from people and failing to actually read and, you know, moderate the discussions they're not qualified to do so on. At times it's absolutely crystal clear when a member has lost an argument or is just technically wrong, and can't accept it out of some personal allegiance most of the time, but the mods just simply seem keen to prop the fanboys up. In the case of turbo he's got pretty frustrated on many occasions when certain members have been backed into a corner. His usual response to me on those occasions was 'Whatever'. Tells you all you need to know, as does the publication of private PMs as he gloats over power in his little fiefdom.

Using the word 'technical' implies some black and white and if you can't moderate that....then it's time to consider doing something else. Under those circumstances frustration and perceived abuse follows as the lunatics take over the asylum. The place is worse than Autosport because at least there you know what to expect.

'Unanimously agreed upon' says Steven. As if there is some kind of due process and in depth discussion that goes on over these matters.

You got booted in the "golden days" when 747 etc. were all still around, Seg. So you show up now,to whine?

[Manoah2u]

Why would the moderators need to be qualified in a technical(relevant) field to moderate here? The moderators job isn't to see if everything is correct, because guess what, that isn't necessary to begin with.

Information doesn't need to be correct to have a good discussion, we learn from mistakes, we learn from errors and we learn from different views and experiences outside of our own biased views.

They need to be qualified when it comes to the technical sections for a whole plethora of reasons that should be abundantly clear to everyone.

General chat is whatever.

so how about if you don't like it and only complain about everything here and you feel you are on a higher level then anybody out here, how about you just go ahead and seek some other place to bloat around or better yet, go ahead and give it yourself a try; make yourself a forum.

sheehs.

[Thunder]

Wow this Topic really goes on? Jeez guys get over it.

@Gitanes: No Offense, but if the ban really troubles you to an extend to where you make one "the mods are evil, free X" Thread after another, maybe it is time for you to move on.

And i, too, don't really get why a mod would need to have a technical degree. They are here to moderate the Forum, not check the Facts.

[SectorOne]

This stopped being a technical forum in any true sense long ago.

Calling team owners for morons and just generally spouting factually incorrect statements in the sponsorship-thread does seem to make a technical forum less technical yes i agree.

Then talking about technical matters...70% of your posts is in the least technical part of the whole forum.

[FoxHound]

Gitanes

Why did 747heavy leave this forum?

[skoop]

can we please just move on?
stop taking the work and effort all the mods put in here for granted. as far as i know they do it for free in their spare time. if you think you're more qualified becouse you have a technical degree: become a mod and invest a lot of time every day into deleting and moving posts.
oh, you don't want to do that? stop crying.
in my opinion the mods here are doing a very good job.