McLaren 2015 livery

[astracrazy]

Silver is as much a McLaren colour as it is Mercedes IMO.

I disagree. For me McLaren is orange.

There gt3 car

Here is the p1 at a show

The 12c


in fact the last picture shows even an f1 car in that colour

[WaikeCU]

Exactly, Mclaren is a brand, a car manufacturer. So it needs to have an identity. Same like Ferrari. Why are Ferrari's red, because that's their true identity. On Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson kinda criticized Mclaren for being just scientific and not having passion, just being too bland. When you look at Mercedes, they always have been silver. Red Bull always had the colour of dark blue, yellow and red. I feel that Mclaren are just a bunch of scientists putting a secret technologic advanced car together just to win. If you say Mclaren, I would say orange livery. They should have always stick with that from the very beginning.

[astracrazy]

That is the best livery i've seen yet. Forward that too them for god sake!

But your right in what you say, most brands (especially if they are involved in motorsport) will have a colour to identify them. But it seems Mclaren is confused about there's, there rest of the Mclaren strand/group is one thing and the f1 team is something else

[ScottB]

I would agree, orange / rocket red are the colours that, for me at least, are Mclaren colours.

Red and white is going to make people think of Marlboro, the current effort is a throwback to the West colours and the chrome feels like Mercedes thing more than Mclaren...

[wesley123]

And it looks like a Ferrari B-team.

it totally does not

Actually, yes it does. Using the exact same colors imply a relation to the teams.

[diego1960]

Silver is as much a McLaren colour as it is Mercedes IMO. And although I was disappointed with the new livery at first, after watching the first test I'm actually starting to really like it! It looks pretty bad-ass! Adding a sponsor to the sidepod will just complete it, whether they find a title sponsor, or cycle their partners as they did last year.

I disagree. Chrome which is basically silver with a "bling" is 100% Mercedes colours and very much associated with the Hakkinen/Coulthard era and the West liveries. It is really puzzling as to why they chose these colours to introduce a new era.

McLaren colours (if they trully exist) are orange and....orange. Red/White also reminds people of McLaren/Honda as a combo, so it would be beautiul if they came back with small changes, so there are no problems with "subliminal" tobacco advertising.

[Manoah2u]

And it looks like a Ferrari B-team.

it totally does not

Actually, yes it does. Using the exact same colors imply a relation to the teams.

so then super aguri was a ferrari B-team because they had white and red?

suddenly white and red becomes a ferrari b-team because ferrari runs a scuderia logo that reminds of the Marlboro logo?

they're not using the exact same colours, ferrari run red, with black, and some spots of white, on the wings for example.

a total white car with red parts, big branded honda and mclaren is in no way in any form implying any relation to ferrari.
at most it would imply a connection to Marlboro, no more than that in any case. And if that were to be the case, it can go two directions; either it indeed looks like it and Mclaren are doing something like Ferrari is doing, or they've constructed a way around it like Lotus has and it's all a bunch of friggin haters and people with supposed opinions that can't take it because it messes with frugal minds boxed in rules and 'oh but that can't happen because of the tobacco ban'.
The same minds that would never accept 'flexi-wings' and 'flexi-floors' because 'the rules don't allow it'....no matter how obvious and how many proof you slam in the faces. Not pointing fingers here though.

But come on. If you paint a Mclaren completely red, with a black back part, some white wings, put a yellow triangle at the sides, and the italian flag, THEN you are using the same colours and are implying a ferrari-b team.

[wesley123]

Actually, yes it does. Using the exact same colors imply a relation to the teams.

so then super aguri was a ferrari B-team because they had white and red?

Never said that.

Super Aguri's paint scheme was significantly different than that of the Ferrari.

The mock-up of the McLaren shows a livery that is quite similar to the Ferrari,


Replace the white with red, The black stripe is a white stripe and the Red part becomes black. Voila, you've got a livery that is pretty damn similar to Ferrari's livery.

suddenly white and red becomes a ferrari b-team because ferrari runs a scuderia logo that reminds of the Marlboro logo?

Seeing how the Marlboro logo isn't on the Ferrari yet they pay big bucks for it a large part of the relation comes from color and shape. So yes, The Red+White and chevron shape become a livery that is related to Marlboro/Ferrari

they're not using the exact same colours, ferrari run red, with black, and some spots of white, on the wings for example.

a total white car with red parts, big branded honda and mclaren is in no way in any form implying any relation to ferrari.

Except for a livery that is largely the same, except colors have been switched around.

at most it would imply a connection to Marlboro

And Marlboro's sponsorship works largely on that relation to colors, team and a chevron shape. Thus, a livery that would imply Marlboro also implies a link to Ferrari

But come on. If you paint a Mclaren completely red, with a black back part, some white wings, put a yellow triangle at the sides, and the italian flag, THEN you are using the same colours and are implying a ferrari-b team.

Why would you use a livery that is exactly the same? An important part is to differentiate. And Red Bull + Toro Rosso is a great example.

You can differentiate fairly well which is a Toro Rosso and which is a Red Bull. However, due to it's livery you can't possibly deny that Toro Rosso isn't a B-team of Red Bull. And that is the same case here, the chevron is a Marlboro thing. Marlboro = Ferrari. Thus, the link -or better said, confusion- that McLaren has a relation to Ferrari is easily made.

[agip]

Exactly, Mclaren is a brand, a car manufacturer. So it needs to have an identity. Same like Ferrari. Why are Ferrari's red, because that's their true identity. On Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson kinda criticized Mclaren for being just scientific and not having passion, just being too bland. When you look at Mercedes, they always have been silver. Red Bull always had the colour of dark blue, yellow and red. I feel that Mclaren are just a bunch of scientists putting a secret technologic advanced car together just to win. If you say Mclaren, I would say orange livery. They should have always stick with that from the very beginning.

http://i.imgur.com/bFbz6OJ.jpg

I disagree. You said it. Being a bunch of scientistis is Mclaren's identity. I and really like it. Why would they copy the passion of Ferrari?

And I don't think you need a color to have an identity. What's the color of BMW, Lamborghini, Pagani, etc?

PS: That orange and black Mclaren is awesome.

[acosmichippo]

so then super aguri was a ferrari B-team because they had white and red?

Super Aguri was not exactly in the same situation as McLaren is now. McLaren is one of the premier teams in F1 and needs unique branding to stand apart from other teams as much as possible.

suddenly white and red becomes a ferrari b-team because ferrari runs a scuderia logo that reminds of the Marlboro logo?

Not sure what you mean here. The marlboro logo is an entirely separate issue, and does not apply to McLaren unless they try to run an MP4-1 through MP4-11 tribute livery (with chevrons).

they're not using the exact same colours, ferrari run red, with black, and some spots of white, on the wings for example.

a total white car with red parts, big branded honda and mclaren is in no way in any form implying any relation to ferrari.
at most it would imply a connection to Marlboro, no more than that in any case. And if that were to be the case, it can go two directions; either it indeed looks like it and Mclaren are doing something like Ferrari is doing, or they've constructed a way around it like Lotus has and it's all a bunch of friggin haters and people with supposed opinions that can't take it because it messes with frugal minds boxed in rules and 'oh but that can't happen because of the tobacco ban'.
The same minds that would never accept 'flexi-wings' and 'flexi-floors' because 'the rules don't allow it'....no matter how obvious and how many proof you slam in the faces. Not pointing fingers here though.

But come on. If you paint a Mclaren completely red, with a black back part, some white wings, put a yellow triangle at the sides, and the italian flag, THEN you are using the same colours and are implying a ferrari-b team.

It's not about implying a relation to Ferrari - it's about differentiating yourself from competitors as much as possible and establishing a unique brand. Even if the hue of red they use isn't exactly Ferrari's, white and red cars, team gear, etc would still look too similar.

I guarantee you this is why they have gone with black, silver, and rocket red instead of white and rocket red.

[Manoah2u]

Mclaren ran the red-white scheme for decades, you can't guarantee squad.

Nobody confused a Mclaren for a Ferrari and vise versa.

The Mclarens were red-white as of 1974 till 1996! thats 22 years!
in 22 years nobody confused the Mclaren brand with the Ferrari brand, never.



How you can ever think Mclaren red-white gets confused with Ferrari is beyond any form of logic.

Even a half-eyed half-blind would see a clear-cut difference between this:



and this:



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seriously, how you can even remotely think a official honda red-white colour, and heritage MCLAREN red-white
gets confused with Ferrari is beyond any reason.

the only reason they went for silver was because they changed to West as a sponsor, guess what colours west ran?

[astracrazy]

I disagree. You said it. Being a bunch of scientistis is Mclaren's identity. I and really like it. Why would they copy the passion of Ferrari?

And I don't think you need a color to have an identity. What's the color of BMW, Lamborghini, Pagani, etc?

PS: That orange and black Mclaren is awesome.

But it was Ron who said these were the Mclaren colours, which when you look at the rest of the Mclaren group is wrong. Its orange. These colours came along with West (not merc btw, merc were around for a year with the red a white although they most likely had an influence).

Ron contradicts himself saying going to orange would be going backwards, but so is this. This is going back to before the vodafone chrome days. The trouble is, Ron is so stubborn he will obviously only change it for money now.

If you like this livery or not, I think it was a massive own goal. Whilst it will look better if they do bring a new livery before the first race - it will kind of look like an after thought because of fan reaction.

I don't know about the other two but BMW is white with light blue, dark blue and red strip.

@ Manoah2u For sure your 100% correct. But that livery design for a new red-white is clearly based on the current ferrari. Red and white no problem though, its just the design layout does look like the current ferrari just different colours

[feni_remmen]

the only reason they went for silver was because they changed to West as a sponsor, guess what colours west ran?

This is not correct! West colours with previous sponsorships are red and white! McLaren made comments that their look from 97 onwards would be silver/black and rocket red. If anything directed McLaren towards silver, it's best keep in mind that in 1997 they were 2 years into their new long term commitment to Mercedes. To say McLaren chose Silver as a colour was because of a commitment to West brand cigs is just WRONG. West Silvers didn't exist prior to 1997!

[wesley123]

Mclaren ran the red-white scheme for decades, you can't guarantee squad.

And now Ferrari runs a Marlboro-sponsored Red livery.

Nobody confused a Mclaren for a Ferrari and vise versa.

Probably because the liveries were nothing alike, plus the actual brand was visible and there wasn't much need for this subconscious messaging and relation to a F1 team

Even a half-eyed half-blind would see a clear-cut difference between this:

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and this:

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Can't remember saying those looked alike.

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this:

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Like said, flip the colors around and you'll notice the similarities. Make the red on the engine cover black and you'll already notice how it follows a pretty similar line.

seriously, how you can even remotely think a official honda red-white colour, and heritage MCLAREN red-white
gets confused with Ferrari is beyond any reason.

Because of brand recognition. Also it's not really Heritage McLaren, seeing how virtually ALL Marlboro sponsored teams of that time ran that chevron livery





Why people call it a McLaren heritage livery, I don't know.

the only reason they went for silver was because they changed to West as a sponsor, guess what colours west ran?

Actually, West can either be bordeaux red or silver. The grey was more of a Mercedes thing than a West thing.

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