Manoah2u wrote:wesley123 wrote:Manoah2u wrote:Mclaren ran the red-white scheme for decades, you can't guarantee squad.
And now Ferrari runs a Marlboro-sponsored Red livery.
which doesn't look in any way like the old marlboro-mclaren liveries, in any way.
Didn't say it did.
wesley123 wrote:
Manoah2u wrote:Nobody confused a Mclaren for a Ferrari and vise versa.
Probably because the liveries were nothing alike, plus the actual brand was visible and there wasn't much need for this subconscious messaging and relation to a F1 team
So you just admit that you're just talking rubbish and senseless?
Indeed, there is nothing alike then, nor is there anything alike now.
Actually, they are much alike, like I have said multiple times already.
And you bringing up old liveries has got nothing to do with the mock-up of McLarens livery, nor with Ferrari's livery.
so your flawed argument on brand confusion of mclaren and ferrari gets shattered to pieces by yourself, too. good.
because it held no water from the start.
Not really.
wesley123 wrote:
Can't remember saying those looked alike.
Yes you did, you implied the red-white colours automatically confuse with ferrari. you can look up your own posts just a couple threads back.
Context is a great thing.
wesley123 wrote:
Like said, flip the colors around and you'll notice the similarities. Make the red on the engine cover black and you'll already notice how it follows a pretty similar line.
yes, let's flip colours, lets forget the vast amount of white, let's turn the red black, and the white red, and yes, it looks like a ferrari. Newsflash; the red will not be black nor will the all-white be red. that's why its white-red, not red-black.
are you colourblind or just inventing stuff to keep breathing life into your failed theory?
That's how brand recognition works.
A livery is much more than just a few colors picked, certainly in a shape like Ferrari's livery, where it is dictated by Marlboro.
The chevron shape on the engine cover looks very, very similar to each other. They also follow a very similar line horizontally over the sidepod.
The black on the lower side of the tub looks very similar.
Oh, and the black stripe that split the red from the black? Also very similar to the stripe Ferrari uses to split the red from the black.
I never said anything about that livery to begin with.
Then you are beyond ignorant in every single sense of the word. [/quote]
Not sure how this makes me ignorant? But seeing how you bring it up, you might want to do a bit of self-reflection? I'm not the one that claims that every red/black/white livery looks alike, you are the one, because I explained the similarities between the McLAren mock-up and Ferrari's livery.
You the proceed to call me colorblind and what not, because I took a look a look further than just a color.
I'm sorry, but if someone is ignorant here, it is you.
It's a Mclaren heritage livery because Mclaren ran it for 22 years in F1. Ferrari did not, Lotus did not, williams did not,
Tyrell did not. That's why it's a Mclaren heritage livery.
the fact Penske ran the same colours does not change what it meant for Mclaren.
Actually, yes it does, seeing how they ran the same livery. Actually, pretty much all Marlboro sponsored teams ran the chevron livery.
It's a Marlboro heritage livery, not a McLaren heritage livery.
Nobody confuses Penske for Mclaren, despite they have the same colours. Neither did Penske get confused with MClaren livery for another team that ran white-red.
Probably because they are two completely different series ran in completely different environment.
You even know what heritage means?
Yes I do
a yellow camel-lotus is a heritage livery.
What about the Camel sponsored Benetton? Those also were Yellow.
Or the Brun Porsche 962c's, also ran a Yellow Camel livery.
So it's a Camel heritage livery, not a Lotus.
Lotus is running a JPS heritage livery.
Like you said, a JPS heritage livery.
Williams before the Martini livery ran a rothmans heritage livery.
Like you said, a Rothmans heritage livery.
Porsche Works teams ran a rothmans livery on their 956s and 962s
Williams is now running a martini livery, despite classicly the martini livery was a brabham heritage livery.
What about the Lancias in the Group C? Or the Lancias in rally? What about the ford Focus in rally?
Those all ran Martini colors.
So it's a Martini heritage livery, and not a Brabham one.
Still, nobody confuses Williams with brabham.
Probably because they're ome 30 years apart.
Lotus also used to run a Green-yellow livery. That was their original brand colour. Green-yellow. Nobody thought Lotus wasn't lotus when they ran yellow camel liveries, gold leaf lotus liveries or JPS liveries.
Never said they did.
Meanwhile, Mclaren's original colour was papaya orange, but MClaren still gets recognised as mclaren in a red-white livery, a silvery west livery, a chrome-red vodafone livery, and whatever they'll run next.
So what you are saying is that those liveries aren't McLarens heritage, but rather a livery dictated by sponsorship?
yes, keep being stubborn and ignorant.
You can stop with the insults now, thank you.
no, there's nothing 'west' about mclaren's test livery
Well, seeing how they kept the same livery even after the West years that shows it well enough that it was a color/livery not specifically dictated by West.
With your logic, Mclaren's logo gets confused with Nike. Nike F1 team.
How so? They look nothing alike.
