McLaren 2015 livery

[J.A.W.]

Here's a bit about McLaren orange.. http://www.egarage.com/car-profiles/mclaren-orange/

IMO, the early `70s Yardley-McLaren scheme was the most insipid ( overall white with orange panel along side pod)..

& - if no major sponsor (inc' covert/subliminal fag-packet look).. then - as trad' - a glowing heritage orange - is best.

[WaikeCU]

Marlboro White/Red is just a colour that has ben around for ages. It has nothing to do with the manufacturer or team. It's just the colors of the sponsorship Marlboro. When one says Mclaren, one should say orange and not white/red. White/Red only is so common, because of the success the team had when it had the sponsorship on the car. Fittipaldi, Hunt, Lauda, Prost and Senna were the ones that won with the iconic livery. Despite all the success, it has nothing to do with the identity of Mclaren. It's just a passage of Mclaren history.

[djos]

Because I'm discussing on a forum? Wow...

Because your point is idiotic, that fan livery is using red and white, not red and black and switching colors the way you have and inverting everything doesn't magically prove your point - it's just not similar!

[Felipe 92]

Because I'm discussing on a forum? Wow...

You're not discussing, you have idea that McLaren and Ferrari look alike and you keep on about that for a few pages trying to change everybody's mind about that. If you flip colours, if you this red, this black. Red/black is not the same as white/red. I have acknowledged that you think it is the same and I respect your opinion, would you please stop about it? Thank you

[wesley123]

Because I'm discussing on a forum? Wow...

Because your point is idiotic, that fan livery is using red and white, not red and black and switching colors the way you have and inverting everything doesn't magically prove your point - it's just not similar!

Yes, real nice, calling someone idiotic because he looks further than a color palette.

Because I'm discussing on a forum? Wow...

You're not discussing, you have idea that McLaren and Ferrari look alike and you keep on about that for a few pages trying to change everybody's mind about that. If you flip colours, if you this red, this black. Red/black is not the same as white/red. I have acknowledged that you think it is the same and I respect your opinion, would you please stop about it? Thank you

I was very much attempting to discuss something, I was pointing out why the mock-up livery wouldn't work and it's similarities to Ferrari's livery. It was very much part of the discussion.

You can disagree with it, very well, no one is forced to agree with me. However, a bit of respect would be nice. Calling me colorblind, ignorant and whatnot because I explain something regarding a livery isn't really necessary.

The replies I got to my initial post led me to believe that my original post wasn't clear enough, and thus, I further attempt to argument it.

I'm not all that good in social situations, but I'm fairly certain that's how a discussion works.

[djos]

Because I'm discussing on a forum? Wow...

Because your point is idiotic, that fan livery is using red and white, not red and black and switching colors the way you have and inverting everything doesn't magically prove your point - it's just not similar!

Yes, real nice, calling someone idiotic because he looks further than a color palette.

....

I'm not all that good in social situations, but I'm fairly certain that's how a discussion works.

Apparently you also need help understanding when some one calls your point into question vs calls you personally a name.

[acosmichippo]

Mclaren ran the red-white scheme for decades, you can't guarantee squad.

Nobody confused a Mclaren for a Ferrari and vise versa.

The Mclarens were red-white as of 1974 till 1996! thats 22 years!
in 22 years nobody confused the Mclaren brand with the Ferrari brand, never.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _-_001.jpg

How you can ever think Mclaren red-white gets confused with Ferrari is beyond any form of logic.

Even a half-eyed half-blind would see a clear-cut difference between this:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4113/5016 ... 52a9a0.jpg

and this:

http://www.motivemagazine.com/emAlbum/a ... ns-001.jpg

between

this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ese_GP.jpg

and this

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2 ... 8f4urj.jpg ]

seriously, how you can even remotely think a official honda red-white colour, and heritage MCLAREN red-white
gets confused with Ferrari is beyond any reason.

the only reason they went for silver was because they changed to West as a sponsor, guess what colours west ran?

it's not about *outright confusion*, but subtle differentiation. Marketing and advertising works in subtle and subliminal ways, and white/red just does not contrast enough with red/white. I realize mcLaren ran white/red for a long time, but that was only because of Marlboro, not to establish a *mcLaren* brand.

for what it's worth, I personally don't care for the current livery and think white/red would look better, but in the context of F1 with Ferrari as such a strong brand to compete with, I think they are right to not use white/red.

[acosmichippo]

Because your point is idiotic, that fan livery is using red and white, not red and black and switching colors the way you have and inverting everything doesn't magically prove your point - it's just not similar!

Yes, real nice, calling someone idiotic because he looks further than a color palette.

....

I'm not all that good in social situations, but I'm fairly certain that's how a discussion works.

Apparently you also need help understanding when some one calls your point into question vs calls you personally a name.

and THAT point is idiotic.

[acosmichippo]

Mclaren ran the red-white scheme for decades, you can't guarantee squad.

And now Ferrari runs a Marlboro-sponsored Red livery.

which doesn't look in any way like the old marlboro-mclaren liveries, in any way.

Nobody confused a Mclaren for a Ferrari and vise versa.

Probably because the liveries were nothing alike, plus the actual brand was visible and there wasn't much need for this subconscious messaging and relation to a F1 team

So you just admit that you're just talking rubbish and senseless?
Indeed, there is nothing alike then, nor is there anything alike now.

so your flawed argument on brand confusion of mclaren and ferrari gets shattered to pieces by yourself, too. good.
because it held no water from the start.

Even a half-eyed half-blind would see a clear-cut difference between this:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4113/5016 ... 52a9a0.jpg

and this:

http://www.motivemagazine.com/emAlbum/a ... ns-001.jpg

Can't remember saying those looked alike.

Yes you did, you implied the red-white colours automatically confuse with ferrari. you can look up your own posts just a couple threads back.

between

this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ese_GP.jpg

and this

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2 ... 8f4urj.jpg ]

Like said, flip the colors around and you'll notice the similarities. Make the red on the engine cover black and you'll already notice how it follows a pretty similar line.

yes, let's flip colours, lets forget the vast amount of white, let's turn the red black, and the white red, and yes, it looks like a ferrari. Newsflash; the red will not be black nor will the all-white be red. that's why its white-red, not red-black.
are you colourblind or just inventing stuff to keep breathing life into your failed theory?

nobody spoke of a black-red livery for mclaren. nobody spoke of a carbon copy of a ferrari livery.
there are vast examples of livery excersizes of white-red mclarens, and you try to maintain an unsupported theory on a single photoshop that 'slightly' resembles a rear line that ferrari since last year put on their car in black carbon?

don't act like you have not seen the other liveries here, like this one;

http://hondaintegra.co.uk/wp-content/up ... claren.jpg

yes, i can see how much this looks like a ferrari. i can't tell the brand recognition apart. it's a ferrari. or is it a redbull? what is it?

seriously, how you can even remotely think a official honda red-white colour, and heritage MCLAREN red-white
gets confused with Ferrari is beyond any reason.

Because of brand recognition. Also it's not really Heritage McLaren, seeing how virtually ALL Marlboro sponsored teams of that time ran that chevron livery

https://bandverde.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ipaldi.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6057/5893 ... c4ce_z.jpg
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ ... 6d0136.jpg

Why people call it a McLaren heritage livery, I don't know.

Then you are beyond ignorant in every single sense of the word.
It's a Mclaren heritage livery because Mclaren ran it for 22 years in F1. Ferrari did not, Lotus did not, williams did not,
Tyrell did not. That's why it's a Mclaren heritage livery.

the fact Penske ran the same colours does not change what it meant for Mclaren.

Nobody confuses Penske for Mclaren, despite they have the same colours. Neither did Penske get confused with MClaren livery for another team that ran white-red.

You even know what heritage means? a yellow camel-lotus is a heritage livery. Lotus is running a JPS heritage livery. Williams before the Martini livery ran a rothmans heritage livery. Williams is now running a martini livery, despite classicly the martini livery was a brabham heritage livery. Still, nobody confuses Williams with brabham.

Lotus also used to run a Green-yellow livery. That was their original brand colour. Green-yellow. Nobody thought Lotus wasn't lotus when they ran yellow camel liveries, gold leaf lotus liveries or JPS liveries.

Meanwhile, Mclaren's original colour was papaya orange, but MClaren still gets recognised as mclaren in a red-white livery, a silvery west livery, a chrome-red vodafone livery, and whatever they'll run next.

the only reason they went for silver was because they changed to West as a sponsor, guess what colours west ran?

Actually, West can either be bordeaux red or silver. The grey was more of a Mercedes thing than a West thing.

let me correct that false statement for you.

http://www.i-d-s.com/images/uploads/175 ... ingle).jpg http://www.cigarettespedia.com/images/c ... ermany.jpg http://i.colnect.net/images/f/16/503/We ... est-It.jpg

yes, keep being stubborn and ignorant.

no, there's nothing 'west' about mclaren's test livery

http://media.crash.net/original/126047.jpg
http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/phc/paut0 ... en1-lg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bYNFA.jpg

nothing at all. not even slightly.


i'll add something more for you

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/ima ... 2zbjpg.jpg

oh look, that marlboro chevron was not in any way branded to Mclaren, right?
Guess what happened when Mclaren turned west? see what happened there?

With your logic, Mclaren's logo gets confused with Nike. Nike F1 team.

you know, it *is* possible to disagree with people without insults and mockery. Maybe if someone's idea seems so ridiculous to you it's because you're not fully understanding their point in the first place.

[djos]

and THAT point is idiotic.

Why thank you sir *bows*

[EvilPhil II]

A little history for you...

Red and White Mclarens

There is a very interesting back story to why the Mclaren (International) logo used a similar set of colours and chevrons shapes which complimented and appeared similar to the Marlboro logos and branding.

Although Mclaren had been sponsored by Marlboro prior to 1980, it was in 1980 that Mclaren produced a certain car for formula one. The MP4 Ford i.e. MP4/1. (This season they are testing the Mclaren Honda MP4/30).

Whats the significance I hear you ask of this designation to this topic on livery? MP4 stood for "Marlboro project 4".

Marlboro who had sponsored Mclaren were disappointed with the results the team had been getting up to 1980 and decided to effectively buy a 50% share in Mclaren, immediately placing Ron Dennis as Managing Director. Within a year Dennis took total control of Mclaren and hence the legacy began.

Grey/Silver/Black Mclarens and West


Once Marlboro abandoned ship at the end of 1996 to sponsor Ferrari, Mercedes then purchased the Mclaren F1 car livery and sublet it to other organisations such as West.

Mercedes owning the Mclaren Livery had other impacts too, this meant West had to adhere to the Mercedes brand guidelines with regards to colours... I.e. instead of being red, yellow and black... they were to be presented as red and silver and black.

To cut a long story short three relevant and interesting facts arose from this...

* Such was the exposure and investment West were making to the F1 program before an outright ban on tobacco advertising got brought in world wide, that West then re-branded their entire cigarette brand to match those colours of the F1 team

* The MP4 designation was updated to stand for Mclaren Project 4.

* Mclaren as this point rebranded and ditched the chevron logo for something of a swosh which could be seen to interlock with the West logos two slashes.

Bonus fact....

* Marlboro actively still sponsor Ferrari to this day having purchased the entire Ferrari F1 livery space for a multi year deal, and which they 'sub let' to other companies such as Santander. They are able to do this as Italian laws are the only laws in the world to permit advertising in this manner... its a big loop hole which probably demonstrates how powerful Marlboro are... i.e. I suspect it was wrote into Italian laws specifically to allow Ferrari to retain their core sponsor.


So the red and white Mclarens.... just for the Record. That is Marlboro to the core.
The Silver, Grey and Black Mclarens.... 100% Mercedes.

[strad]

So the red and white Mclarens.... just for the Record. That is Marlboro to the core.

I did not follow this thread all the way back but I agree the red/white was Marlboro not McLaren. Running Marlboro livery for 20+ years still does not make it McLaren livery. 100% Marlboro...
If they were after heritage they would be orange,,, or papaya or whatever you choose to call it.

[PlatinumZealot]

I have to agree with wesley here. That belted livery does look much like a Ferrari.
Those past mcaren colours from seventies up to 2005 were simply sponsor themed liveries. And the orange colour is just a colour it was not claimed to be an official mclaren colour. The real Mclaren fans know that te only time Mclaren f1 declared colours was for the 2006 year... The colours being chrome and rocket red.
I think this perfectly matches their scientific, space age theme and I personally would love to see tem continue using it. In fact Mclaren are going to continue using it. when the new livery comes out I can bet my user name that the colour is still going to be chrome and rocket red.

[Manoah2u]

So i'll repeat. Is JPS gold livery for lotus heritage? or is Camel yellow lotus heritage? or is green-yellow heritage? or are they all 3 heritage for the Lotus team?

Is only papaya orang heritage for Mclaren? or is Red-white and silver-black-red also heritage for them? (even though it'll take some 10, 20 years of a different livery to call the silvery-scheme heritage).

[PlatinumZealot]

So i'll repeat. Is JPS gold livery for lotus heritage? or is Camel yellow lotus heritage? or is green-yellow heritage? or are they all 3 heritage for the Lotus team?

Is only papaya orang heritage for Mclaren? or is Red-white and silver-black-red also heritage for them? (even though it'll take some 10, 20 years of a different livery to call the silvery-scheme heritage).

There is no black or silver. Only chrome and rocket red. Black and silver was for West.